Hunter2_1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Brady has stuck by his words back in 2014 - "I'll retire when I suck". He doesn't yet suck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Forge is keeping Tom Brady in the nfl. Prove me wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, RamblinMan99 said: He’s still playing at 43 but that doesn’t matter given how much our current league protects the QBs. Who are the other 43 year old QBs? His contemporary Manning was finished at 39. Brees is about to retire at 42 and looked done. Eli retired at 38 but was done 3 years prior, Ben looks awful at 38. Rivers is done at 39 etc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, RamblinMan99 said: It’s interesting you look at it from this perspective, because it’s actually a lot tougher to win multiple Super Bowls with the same exact team in place. That’s why the 1970s Steelers winning four (4) Super Bowls in six (6) years with all the same players wasn’t even heard of. If you have a head coach like Belichick who really understands how to acquire players and likes to cheat from time to time, then it’s actually really easy to keep going back to the Super Bowl if you just keep getting more youth at every position from year to year. I do agree with this, and I think that’s part of the mentality that ruined Dan Marino’s career in terms of Super Bowls. But, that’s not going to be Mahomes. He could have easily slid off the track after becoming the youngest QB to be both SB champion and MVP, but he hasn’t declined at all. And Brady’s perspective is very different from that of Mahomes. Brady was so salty because of how low he was drafted and even cried about it after he had already been to four Super Bowls at the time. Conversely, Mahomes was a natural talent from the very beginning and was very humble about it. He loves to compete and isn’t a self absorbed victim about it. The point is, Mahomes has the maturity at a young age with his whole career ahead of him to surpass Brady’s Super Bowl total. It’s not guaranteed, but likely. One thing is sure - Mahomes is GOOD. He's going to be a fun to watch over the next 10-15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The recency bias is insane right now....Mahomes is unbelievable, but projecting that he will just rattle off SB is just insane. People said the same about Rodgers and Wilson after their first win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetzger Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Didn't Brady say he wanted to play til 45 like a decade ago? I thought ESPN was filling the quota for dumb Brady v. Mahomes storylines. Don't bring it here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaFellSBXLIXMVP Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Jetzger said: Didn't Brady say he wanted to play til 45 like a decade ago? I thought ESPN was filling the quota for dumb Brady v. Mahomes storylines. Don't bring it here too. Yep. Said it in private as well. Plus on that Howard Stern interview when he talked about how Kobe died so young he said a thing about doing what you love because you never know what's gonna happen next in your life. I feel Brady is gonna ride till the wheels fall off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 hours ago, WideRight said: Or he’s just playing because he loves it and is still awesome at it. He’s taken a Tampa team that hasn’t sniffed this level of success in nearly 20 years to the Super Bowl. If they get blown out, it’s still a huge success. Mahomes beating him with juggernaut of a team at its peak wouldn’t take anything away from him. Still the greatest of all time. Juggernaut? Their OL is average at best and their defense is at best ‘good’, but more likely it’s ‘above average’. Their receiving core is regular NFL elite and the run game is average to above average- good if CEH is 100%. If their is a juggernaut squad its TB with the greatest receiving core ever assembled, a good OL, good run game, and an elite defense. This KC team definitely isn’t at its peak considering the position their OL is in. Whereas TB hasn’t had any serious backbreaking injuries all year outside of Vea... and he’s back. If KC wins this game, it’s because of the absolute greatness of Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) So Brady was never the young passing superstar. He was the clutch winner like Aikman or Big Ben early then he became the passing superstar in 2007. Guys who started like Mahomes don't usually keep winning. Marino had a 4 year run before he regressed closer to the mean. Wilson went to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years He has not been back in 6 years It took Favre a bit but he was in Super Bowls in years 6 and 7 (5 of 6 as a starter) He never got back Elway got to 3 Super Bowls in 6 years. It took him 9 years to get back and he was the rarest of QBs (5 SBs ) before Brady Rodgers had that incredible playoff loss in 2009 He won the SB in 2010 They were 15-1 in 2011 and the world was his He has not been back to the Super Bowl in 10 years. Warner got to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years with the Greatest Show on turf He got hurt, the Rams fell apart and it took him 7 years to get back with Arizona. Getting to the Super Bowl is logarithmic. Its hard to get to 1 and much harder to get to 2 and so on. The gateway to Brady's 6 wins was 9 Super Bowls The gateway to the 10 Super Bowls was 14 ACFCGs/NFCCG The gateway to those games was 18 playoff teams. No one on Brady's 2001, 2003, 2004 teams was also on his 2014 team. His 2018 team was way different than his 2014 team. Kelce and Cheetah are not going to help Mahomes to 6 Super Bowls even if he does mirror Brady's career. You have to assume players that are not in the league yet will be the next Gronk and Hightower. Edited February 1, 2021 by SkippyX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRight Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: Juggernaut? Their OL is average at best and their defense is at best ‘good’, but more likely it’s ‘above average’. Their receiving core is regular NFL elite and the run game is average to above average- good if CEH is 100%. If their is a juggernaut squad its TB with the greatest receiving core ever assembled, a good OL, good run game, and an elite defense. This KC team definitely isn’t at its peak considering the position their OL is in. Whereas TB hasn’t had any serious backbreaking injuries all year outside of Vea... and he’s back. If KC wins this game, it’s because of the absolute greatness of Mahomes. Yah, my point stands. They’re 16-1 in games they attempted to win this year. The defending champs. A juggernaut. If Tom loses to them, it’s takes absolutely nothing away from his legacy. This year has only added to it. Also, Tampa’s run game sucks. 28th in the league this year. And lol at them having the best receiving core ever. Edited February 1, 2021 by WideRight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightime Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SkippyX said: So Brady was never the young passing superstar. He was the clutch winner like Aikman or Big Ben early then he became the passing superstar in 2007. Guys who started like Mahomes don't usually keep winning. Marino had a 4 year run before he regressed closer to the mean. Wilson went to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years He has not been back in 6 years It took Favre a bit but he was in Super Bowls in years 6 and 7 (5 of 6 as a starter) He never got back Elway got to 3 Super Bowls in 6 years. It took him 9 years to get back and he was the rarest of QBs (5 SBs ) before Brady Rodgers had that incredible playoff loss in 2009 He won the SB in 2010 They were 15-1 in 2011 and the world was his He has not been back to the Super Bowl in 10 years. Warner got to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years with the Greatest Show on turf He got hurt, the Rams fell apart and it took him 7 years to get back with Arizona. Getting to the Super Bowl is logarithmic. Its hard to get to 1 and much harder to get to 2 and so on. The gateway to Brady's 6 wins was 9 Super Bowls The gateway to the 10 Super Bowls was 14 ACFCGs/NFCCG The gateway to those games was 18 playoff teams. No one on Brady's 2001, 2003, 2004 teams was also on his 2014 team. His 2018 team was way different than his 2014 team. Kelce and Cheetah are not going to help Mahomes to 6 Super Bowls even if he does mirror Brady's career. You have to assume players that are not in the league yet will be the next Gronk and Hightower. Russell Wilson began his career more like Brady, than Mahomes. Edited February 1, 2021 by Nightime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I think Mahomes likely isn't the QB you all think he is. Mahomes is a thrower of the ball, and talented throwers of the ball never win more than 2 Superbowls without knowing how to play QB. The Bucs will win this Superbowl and likely the next two since they have a QB that knows how to play QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split the Sticks Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 hours ago, lancerman said: Or Wilson. Mahomes is in the exact same position Wilson was in 2014. He never went to another conference title game since. It's such a crapshoot predicting what a QB will do. People famously thought Marino losing to the 49'ers dynasty in SB XIX wasn't a big deal because he'd definitley be back. He never went again and that became the defining story of his career. After 09 and 10, everyone here thought Brees and Rodgers would own the NFC going forward. Neither one has made it out of the NFC a decade since, with on retiring and the other acting like he's at a funeral after another close but no cigar. I dig it but at the time they won their super bowls, nobody knew that. You do realize that Mahomes could pull a Wilson here and not get back, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJG Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, NeptunePenguins said: I think Mahomes likely isn't the QB you all think he is. Mahomes is a thrower of the ball, and talented throwers of the ball never win more than 2 Superbowls without knowing how to play QB. The Bucs will win this Superbowl and likely the next two since they have a QB that knows how to play QB. 🤔 What makes you think Mahomes doesn't know how to play QB? And you're making it sound like having great arm talent is liability rather than an asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, NeptunePenguins said: I think Mahomes likely isn't the QB you all think he is. Mahomes is a thrower of the ball, and talented throwers of the ball never win more than 2 Superbowls without knowing how to play QB. The Bucs will win this Superbowl and likely the next two since they have a QB that knows how to play QB. But Mahomes is calling plays in the Super Bowl. He’s an offensive assistant when he’s taking week 17 off. He’s coming up with new plays for the offense. He’s not just throwing out there, that’s underrating his intelligence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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