Uncle Buck Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Based on this, it sounds like the Vikings made the right move in trading Diggs. https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/justin-jefferson-stefon-diggs-bills-nfl/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Uncle Buck said: Based on this, it sounds like the Vikings made the right move in trading Diggs. https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/justin-jefferson-stefon-diggs-bills-nfl/ If Vikings knew they had this with Diggs, they would have traded Thielen instead & made Diggs the number one Edited February 13, 2021 by CriminalMind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, CriminalMind said: If Vikings knew they had this with Diggs, they would have traded Thielen instead & made Diggs the number one They wouldn’t have gotten a first for Thielen which likely means no Jefferson and i’d frankly rather have Jefferson over Diggs going forward, all things considered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 7 hours ago, CriminalMind said: If Vikings knew they had this with Diggs, they would have traded Thielen instead & made Diggs the number one Yeah, but the problem is that Thielen is getting older and as vikingsrule stated above, the Vikings probably wouldn't have gotten a first round pick for Thielen because of that. Jefferson and Diggs as #1 and #2 would be quite the comination though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/13/2021 at 5:11 AM, CriminalMind said: If Vikings knew they had this with Diggs, they would have traded Thielen instead & made Diggs the number one Yeah. And Diggs would have thrown a tantrum that there was yet another quality receiver on the team to share targets with, as they almost certainly still would have drafted Jefferson if they traded Thielen. Trading Diggs was the right move. We lost no production, got additional draft picks, and got younger and cheaper at WR. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 hours ago, wcblack34 said: Yeah. And Diggs would have thrown a tantrum that there was yet another quality receiver on the team to share targets with, as they almost certainly still would have drafted Jefferson if they traded Thielen. Trading Diggs was the right move. We lost no production, got additional draft picks, and got younger and cheaper at WR. Lost no production? Who led the league in yards again.. Getting younger & cheaper doesn't necessarily equate to better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Yes, we lost no meaningful production based on OUR offense. Diggs averaged 10.4 targets per game with the Bills this season (more targets, more opportunity for yards... fascinating) He averaged 6.7 in 2019 with the Vikings at around 12 yards per target Jefferson averaged 7.8 targets per game and 11.2 yards per target so, yes, for us the trade off from Diggs to Jefferson given our cap, and need of young, cheap, assets was well worth it as Diggs was not happy with his role in the offense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 18 hours ago, CriminalMind said: Lost no production? Who led the league in yards again.. Getting younger & cheaper doesn't necessarily equate to better. Diggs and Beasley: 2502 yards on 273 targets and 209 receptions. That's 9.6 ypt and 11.97 ypc. They scored 12 TDs. That's .05 TD per Reception. It's also 1 TD per 208.5 yards. Jefferson and Thielen: 2325 yards on 233 targets and 162 receptions. That's 9.97 ypt and 14.35 ypc. They scored 21 TDs. That's .129 TD per Reception. It's also 1 TD per 110.7 yards. Jefferson had 450 yac. Diggs had 468. Jefferson also only had 6 targets in the first 2 games. Our offense lost nothing without Diggs, and got younger and cheaper. Plus we have 2 extra 4th rounders this year (traded BUF's 5th for a 4th this year). Trading Diggs was the right move every day of the week, and many more times on many more Sundays for years to come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 21 hours ago, wcblack34 said: Diggs and Beasley: 2502 yards on 273 targets and 209 receptions. That's 9.6 ypt and 11.97 ypc. They scored 12 TDs. That's .05 TD per Reception. It's also 1 TD per 208.5 yards. Jefferson and Thielen: 2325 yards on 233 targets and 162 receptions. That's 9.97 ypt and 14.35 ypc. They scored 21 TDs. That's .129 TD per Reception. It's also 1 TD per 110.7 yards. Jefferson had 450 yac. Diggs had 468. Jefferson also only had 6 targets in the first 2 games. Our offense lost nothing without Diggs, and got younger and cheaper. Plus we have 2 extra 4th rounders this year (traded BUF's 5th for a 4th this year). Trading Diggs was the right move every day of the week, and many more times on many more Sundays for years to come. damn you, and your reliance on facts to form a coherent and persuasive argument. there's just no drama here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, wcblack34 said: Diggs and Beasley: 2502 yards on 273 targets and 209 receptions. That's 9.6 ypt and 11.97 ypc. They scored 12 TDs. That's .05 TD per Reception. It's also 1 TD per 208.5 yards. Jefferson and Thielen: 2325 yards on 233 targets and 162 receptions. That's 9.97 ypt and 14.35 ypc. They scored 21 TDs. That's .129 TD per Reception. It's also 1 TD per 110.7 yards. Jefferson had 450 yac. Diggs had 468. Jefferson also only had 6 targets in the first 2 games. Our offense lost nothing without Diggs, and got younger and cheaper. Plus we have 2 extra 4th rounders this year (traded BUF's 5th for a 4th this year). Trading Diggs was the right move every day of the week, and many more times on many more Sundays for years to come. So Diggs did in fact lead the league in yards. Good confirmation To say we lost nothing with Diggs, well that's just not an accurate pretense. Trading Thielen ahead of last years draft, would have been the better move, and for many more Sunday for years to come. On any non-Vikings board, I would imagine the sentiment that Vikings should have figured out a way to keep Diggs would be more prevalent than on here. End of the day our record dropped from 10-6 to 7-9 too. Facts Edited February 17, 2021 by CriminalMind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: To say we lost nothing with Diggs, well that's just not an accurate pretense. It’s very accurate. What Diggs did in Buffalo has absolutely zero impact on the Vikings. What Diggs did in Minnesota is all that matters, and Jefferson exceeded that production. 7 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: Trading Thielen ahead of last years draft, would have been the better move, and for many more Sunday for years to come. Except for the fact that there was no move to be made. There is zero indication that Thielen would have netted the draft capital that Diggs did. And you’re completely ignoring the elephant in the room and that’s the fact that Diggs wanted out. He didn’t want to play in Minnesota. Trading Thielen away doesn’t change that monumental, and significant fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 What you want to happen...and the reality of what could have happened are 2 very different things. Agree with @SemperFeist, in that, in no situation can you ignore the fact that Diggs didn't want to play in this offense. To suggest otherwise is just you trying to bang your head through a concrete wall. It's a pointless exercise and will never result in you getting through that wall, even though you may want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, CriminalMind said: End of the day our record dropped from 10-6 to 7-9 too. Facts So we're just going to ignore the fact that we had a historically bad defense and bad special teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Diggs would've been a big help in the 1st 2 games but even then with the way Cousins was playing it probably didn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I am glad it's worked out for us with Jefferson, and I am glad that Diggs is getting to play in an offense that is better geared for his talents. However, that being said, I miss Diggs and his energy. The Minneapolis Miracle will always be on of my top 5 Vikings memories of all time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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