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Should we trade up to the Lions 7th pick so we’re in position to take a top QB?


Should we trade up w/ the Lions to be able to draft a QB?  

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On 2/22/2021 at 10:42 PM, Woz said:

So historic that it happened last year? Or that it went 1, 3, 7 (and 10) in 2018?

Yeah but the needs I don’t think match up like they did back then unless teams trade back/up and someone comes from around 10 or in the teens to jump up and take one like the Rams & Eagles did.

• Jags will take Lawrence

• Jets may take a QB but they could also hold onto Darnold. Being that’s it’s a new regime it’s most definitely a possibility that they’ll draft a QB & trade Darnold.

• Does Houston take a QB knowing they will eventually have to trade Watson? I guess it’s possible.

• It’s possible that the Eagles take a QB too I guess, I can’t see how they’re sold on Hurts & it’s a new regime.

So damn, you’re right. It’s definitely possible. Ugh 🤦‍♂️ Woz wins again! 😂 

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On 2/24/2021 at 5:43 PM, turtle28 said:

Yeah but the needs I don’t think match up like they did back then unless teams trade back/up and someone comes from around 10 or in the teens to jump up and take one like the Rams & Eagles did.

• Jags will take Lawrence

• Jets may take a QB but they could also hold onto Darnold. Being that’s it’s a new regime it’s most definitely a possibility that they’ll draft a QB & trade Darnold.

• Does Houston take a QB knowing they will eventually have to trade Watson? I guess it’s possible.

• It’s possible that the Eagles take a QB too I guess, I can’t see how they’re sold on Hurts & it’s a new regime.

So damn, you’re right. It’s definitely possible. Ugh 🤦‍♂️ Woz wins again! 😂 

Also there's the possibility that a Carolina or Denver trade up to 4 or 5 to get their guy. Maybe even a San Francisco big move from 12 to 5.

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20 hours ago, Woz said:

Also there's the possibility that a Carolina or Denver trade up to 4 or 5 to get their guy. Maybe even a San Francisco big move from 12 to 5.

You mean Drew Lock isn’t the answer? Color me shocked! 😂 

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I so hope we don't trade up to get a QB. It's going to cost multiple draft resources to do so.

Not when we can use the same concept & trade for a veteran QB who you know is good & will probably cost the same.

Plus, make us a competitor right away.

It takes rookie QB's time to develop & get used to the competitive nature of the NFL.

Then you got to hope, they actually belong in the NFL.

So count me in on throwing darts on a QB vet dartboard as our starter, rather than hoping our 1st Rd pick rookie QB isn't Heath Shuler or D. Haskins.

I would much rather get our vet now & win. Then also use a mid or lower Rd pick on a QB who might be diamond in the rough.

Starter=Vet QB

Backup=Taylor Heinicke

3rd string=Kyle Allen, Montez or rookie

Win right away....

Or

1st=Justin Fields

2nd=Taylor Heinicke

3rd=Kyle Allen, Montez

Hope you don't go 3-13

Pretty easy for me, guys...

 

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1 hour ago, aceinthehouse said:

I so hope we don't trade up to get a QB. It's going to cost multiple draft resources to do so.

Not when we can use the same concept & trade for a veteran QB who you know is good & will probably cost the same.

Plus, make us a competitor right away.

It takes rookie QB's time to develop & get used to the competitive nature of the NFL.

Then you got to hope, they actually belong in the NFL.

So count me in on throwing darts on a QB vet dartboard as our starter, rather than hoping our 1st Rd pick rookie QB isn't Heath Shuler or D. Haskins.

I would much rather get our vet now & win. Then also use a mid or lower Rd pick on a QB who might be diamond in the rough.

Starter=Vet QB

Backup=Taylor Heinicke

3rd string=Kyle Allen, Montez or rookie

Win right away....

Or

1st=Justin Fields

2nd=Taylor Heinicke

3rd=Kyle Allen, Montez

Hope you don't go 3-13

Pretty easy for me, guys...

 

Yeah, let’s just keep repeating the same thing we’ve been doing for most of the last 30 years. 
 

Why keep Trent Green when we can trade 3 draft picks for Brad Johnson and then not re-sign him?

Why draft and develop a QB when instead we can trade for Mark Burnell and give him a huge contract extension when his career is basically over?

Why re-sign Cousins when we can trade a 3rd round pick & Kendall Fuller Alex Smith & give him a huge contract extension?

The idea behind drafting and developing a QB is if you can actually develop a young QB into a good or great starter that they’ll be your franchise QB for 15 plus years, not just be a bandaid for 5 years at best.

Winning right away with an aging veteran is nice, but it’s not building a team that can win for a decade or more to come. This was the entire argument a lot of had against winning the division last year. It’s not that we didn’t want to win the division, but our best chance to win multiple division championships & maybe become a Super Bowl contender is to get the best talent we can at QB in the draft.

Any veteran we sign will just keep us average just like we were last year which doesn’t move the needle. It doesn’t get us any closer to being a Super Bowl contender w/in the next 5 years.

So, because we won the division, now in order to get the franchise QB prospect we need, we’ll have to trade up.

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3 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Yeah, let’s just keep retreating the same thing we’ve been doing for most of the last 30 years. 
 

Why keep Trent Green when we can trade 3 draft picks for Brad Johnson and then not re-sign him?

Why draft and develop a QB when instead we can trade for Mark Burnell and give him a contract extension?

Why re-sign Cousins when we can trade for and give Alex Smith a huge contract extension?

The idea behind drafting and developing a QB is if you can actually develop a young QB into a good or great starter that they’ll be your franchise QB for 15 plus years, not just be a bandaid for a 5 years at best.

I would agree with you turtle, if we didn't already have a playoff/Superbowl caliber defense already.

If we sucked on both sides of the ball, then yea....

Trade up for Fields or Wilson. Cause you know by the time Fields or Wilson are ready, we can put together a good enough defense/offense to win with.

Right now, we are a #2 wr, 1 more OL-men, 1 or 2 LBers away from being a 11-5 or 12-4 football team.

A (good) vet QB gives us an immediate impact, that can pay dividends this next season.

We don't need to be chasing a QB at the top of the draft board, when we don't need to.

Let the draft come to us...

Now if Lance, Fields, Jones or Wilson are there at 19…?

Then sure, take him. Even with the good QB vet on board.

Otherwise, take best available player at 19 & move on.

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1 minute ago, aceinthehouse said:

I would agree with you turtle, if we didn't already have a playoff/Superbowl caliber defense already.

If we sucked on both sides of the ball, then yea....

Trade up for Fields or Wilson. Cause you know by the time Fields or Wilson are ready, we can put together a good enough defense/offense to win with.

Right now, we are a #2 wr, 1 more OL-men, 1 or 2 LBers away from being a 11-5 or 12-4 football team.

A (good) vet QB gives us an immediate impact, that can pay dividends this next season.

We don't need to be chasing a QB at the top of the draft board, when we don't need to.

Let the draft come to us...

Now if Lance, Fields, Jones or Wilson are there at 19…?

Then sure, take him. Even with the good QB vet on board.

Otherwise, take best available player at 19 & move on.

There’s not a veteran available in FA THAT WILL MAKE US A SUPER BOWL CONTENDER!!!!!!!!!!

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Just now, turtle28 said:

There’s not a veteran available in FA THAT WILL MAKE US A SUPER BOWL CONTENDER!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe not a Free Agent, but there are vets that can make us a Superbowl contender if we deal draft picks for.

Which is better than trading all those picks by trading up & hoping Fields doesn't suck like Haskins.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

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1 hour ago, aceinthehouse said:

Maybe not a Free Agent, but there are vets that can make us a Superbowl contender if we deal draft picks for.

Which is better than trading all those picks by trading up & hoping Fields doesn't suck like Haskins.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

Even so, it’d still be better to find our own franchise QB through the draft and have them for hopefully the next 15-20 years.

Russell Wilson is going to cost a lot of draft capital as well as one of our DL starters, as will Watson, and they have huge contracts.

Watson is going to be 26 in September. Wilson will 33 in November. Any QB we draft in round 1 will be 22 or younger. That could be a huge difference for our future & winning games for decades to come. It’s about the long game, the long term vision of building a team, not just the short term fix that yes will make us better in the near term but probably won’t be as good of an answer for a long term fix.

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