2021 Raider Depth Chart

[Bitty 2.0]

18 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:

 

let’s look at the roster differences by playing a game of would you rather?
Offensive Differences

#2 running back: Devonta Booker or Kenyan Drake?

Veteran Wide Receiver: Nelson Aguilar or John Brown?

Center: Rodney Hudson or Andre James? 

Left Guard: Denzel good(Richie incognito didn't play last year) or Richie incognito?

Right Guard: Gabe Jackson or Denzel Good?

Right Tackle: Sam young(Trent Brown didn't really play last year) or Alex Leatherwood?

Defensive Differences

Defensive end: Max Crosby or Yannick Ngakoue?

Third down pass rusher: Arden key or Max Crosby?

3 technique defensive tackles: Malik collins/Maurice hurst/David Irving(straight out of retirement) or Solomon Thomas/Darius Philon(hasn't played football in two years)/ Quinton Jefferson/ David Irving(with a full off-season to get in shape)?

Linebackers: Cory Littleton/ Nick Morrow/Nick Kwiatkoski(under DC Paul Guenther and LB coach David Lippicott) or Cory Littleton/ Nick Morrow/Nick Kwiatkoski(under DC Gus Bradley and LB coach Richard Smith)?

Cornerbacks: Trayvon Mullen/ Damon Arnette(With the defensive line we had last year) or Trayvon Mullen/Casey Hayward(With the defensive line we have this year)?

Jonathan Abrams: In an interchangeable safety role(with the no possibility that anyone can take his job) or in a strictly box safety role(with the possibility that Gilespie can take his job?

Free Safety: Jeff Heath/Erik Harris or Trayvon Moehrig?

I'm curious to know your guys thoughts.

I really think we upgraded the team a lot over last year. The Raiders made big pickups at the weakest positions DE, RT and FS. The Raiders are gonna rotate the D-lineman to keep everybody fresh which is gonna be a huge step up from last year. I always thought the reason the Raiders faded at the end of the year the last 2 seasons was because we didn't have the depth and we over used a lot of players

[big_palooka]

14 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

So defensive players don't make improvement from their 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd year?

 

They do and they don't. But none of them are going to elevate into A level talents imo

[Jeremy408]

56 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said:

I really think we upgraded the team a lot over last year. The Raiders made big pickups at the weakest positions DE, RT and FS. The Raiders are gonna rotate the D-lineman to keep everybody fresh which is gonna be a huge step up from last year. I always thought the reason the Raiders faded at the end of the year the last 2 seasons was because we didn't have the depth and we over used a lot of players

I think the reason why most people don’t see the actual improvements in terms of talent is because they don’t look at what we got this year in comparison to what we actually had last year at each spot there’s a difference

[MrOaktown_56]

4 hours ago, big_palooka said:

They do and they don't. But none of them are going to elevate into A level talents imo

It really depends on the front 4 imo. If they play better, everyone will look a lot better by default.

[Humble_Beast]

On 2/2/2021 at 4:13 PM, Humble_Beast said:

QB	Carr	Mariota	Peterman
RB	Jacobs	Drake	Richard	Riddick	Ragas
FB	Ingold	Groshek
WR	Ruggs	Edwards	Ateman
WR	Brown	Jones	Quinn	Turner
Slot	Renfrow	Snead	Stoner	Scott
TE	Waller	Moreau	Carrier	Bushman	Bowers	Williams
LT	Miller	Parker
LG	Richie	Good	Cotton
C	James	Martin	Morissey	Magnuson
RG	Simpson	Seymour	Harrell
RT	Leatherwood	Jones-Smith	Hamilton
DE	Ferrell	Max	Dickerson
UT	Jefferson	Thomas	Vickers	Stills
NT	Hankins	Irving	Philon	Scott
DE	Yannick	Nassib	Koonce	G Green
WLB	Littleton	Deablo	Richardson
MLB	Kwiatkoski	Muse	Bilil
SLB	Morrow	White	Onwualu
CB	Heyward	Johnson	Nixon	Siverand
CB	Mullen	Douglas	Hobbs	Morrison
Slot	Arnette	Robertson	Lawson
FS	Joseph	Moehrig	R Gaulden
SS	Abram	Gillespie	Crawford	Leavitt
K	Carlson	Eberle
P	Cole

 

*red= players  added in free agency

silver= rookies

 

update, only filler I see:  Scott, Leavitt, Harell, Scott

Edited May 19, 2021 by Humble_Beast

[Humble_Beast]

On 2/2/2021 at 4:13 PM, Humble_Beast said:

QB	Carr	Mariota	Peterman
RB	Jacobs	Drake	Richard	Riddick	Ragas
FB	Ingold	Groshek
WR	Ruggs	Edwards	Ateman
WR	Brown	Jones	Quinn	Turner
Slot	Renfrow	Snead	Stoner	Scott
TE	Waller	Moreau	Carrier	Bushman	Bowers	Williams
LT	Miller	Parker
LG	Richie	Good	Cotton
C	James	Martin	Morissey	Magnuson
RG	Simpson	Seymour	Omameh	Harrell
RT	Leatherwood	Jones-Smith	Hamilton
DE	Ferrell	Max	Dickerson
UT	Jefferson	Thomas	Vickers
NT	Hankins	Philon	Stills	Scott
DE	Yannick	Nassib	Koonce	G Green
WLB	Littleton	Deablo	Richardson
MLB	Kwiatkoski	Muse	Bilil
SLB	Morrow	White	Onwualu
CB	Heyward	Johnson	Nixon	Siverand
CB	Mullen	Douglas	Hobbs	Morrison
Slot	Arnette	Robertson	Lawson
FS	Joseph	Moehrig	R Gaulden
SS	Abram	Gillespie	Crawford	Leavitt
K	Carlson	Eberle
P	Cole
LS	Sieg	McCullough

*red= players  added in free agency

silver= rookies

 

Raiders brought back Omameh, probably makes the time as a backup guard. 

[NYRaider]

On 5/8/2021 at 9:04 AM, big_palooka said:

They do and they don't. But none of them are going to elevate into A level talents imo

The only young defensive player we have that I think can make a significant leap into a Pro Bowl level player is Maxx Crosby. He has elite physical tools and has been productive on a bad defensive line while being pretty raw from a technique stand point. Mullen could also develop into a solid starter but I don't think he'll ever be elite. I've lost hope in Ferrell and Abram.

[Jeremy408]

10 hours ago, NYRaider said:

The only young defensive player we have that I think can make a significant leap into a Pro Bowl level player is Maxx Crosby. He has elite physical tools and has been productive on a bad defensive line while being pretty raw from a technique stand point. Mullen could also develop into a solid starter but I don't think he'll ever be elite. I've lost hope in Ferrell and Abram.

I think Ngakoue and Hayward will go along way in the development of Crosby and Mullen

Edited May 25, 2021 by Jeremy408

[KlenlyKenny]

9 hours ago, Jeremy408 said:

I think Ngakoue and Hayward will go along way in the development of Crosby and Mullen

Great point, I think Mullen can take a decent size leap in terms of his development. It's going to help a lot having more physical players on the team that's for sure. 

[drfrey13]

I think if the young guys finally get some good coaching along with an understanding of what the DC is trying to do it will have a magnifying affect on ever players individual improvements.  When they gel and trust each other we should see a big jump in the production of the defense.  If we had a good DC from day one with Gruden the defense might be better than the offense this year.  We have had 10 picks on defense since Gruden got here.  No reason why it should not have been an above average defense other than Gruden holding onto Guenther.

[NYRaider]

On 5/25/2021 at 6:04 PM, KlenlyKenny said:

Great point, I think Mullen can take a decent size leap in terms of his development. It's going to help a lot having more physical players on the team that's for sure. 

Our defenses success hinges on if Moehrig is the real deal and if our pass rush can improve, imo. 

[KlenlyKenny]

9 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Our defenses success hinges on if Moehrig is the real deal and if our pass rush can improve, imo. 

I can see Maxx Crosby and Yannick Ngakoue being the starting defensive ends with Clelin Ferrell and Solomon Thomas backing up both spots. Still needs some improvement for sure, hopefully Malcom Koonce can make his way into the rotation early, even if it's just in passing situations. 

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, KlenlyKenny said:

I can see Maxx Crosby and Yannick Ngakoue being the starting defensive ends with Clelin Ferrell and Solomon Thomas backing up both spots. Still needs some improvement for sure, hopefully Malcom Koonce can make his way into the rotation early, even if it's just in passing situations. 

IIRC Thomas said he signed with us because we're going to use him at DT.

[oakdb36]

From the vids posted this week, the OL looked like this:

LT: Miller/Jones-Smith/Hamilton

LG: Incognito/Cotton/Harrell

OC: James/Martin/Morrissey

RG: Good/Simpson/Omameh

RT: Leatherwood/Parker

Parker was at LT and Jones-Smith at RT the previous week so they're probably giving them reps at both spots. Magnuson wasn't at OTAs and has now been replaced by Young on the roster. They didn't need 4 OCs but one more OT.

[Mr Raider]

3 hours ago, oakdb36 said:

From the vids posted this week, the OL looked like this:

LT: Miller/Jones-Smith/Hamilton

LG: Incognito/Cotton/Harrell

OC: James/Martin/Morrissey

RG: Good/Simpson/Omameh

RT: Leatherwood/Parker

Parker was at LT and Jones-Smith at RT the previous week so they're probably giving them reps at both spots. Magnuson wasn't at OTAs and has now been replaced by Young on the roster. They didn't need 4 OCs but one more OT.

I'm really hoping Simpson can beat out Good because that would mean he's clearly taken a big step because while Good isn't some great player, he's pretty solid. 

However, it may be a huge long shot simply because Good is a solid player and has Startin experience. As nice as it would be to see a young draft pick push for playing time, the idea of the C, RG, and RT all having basically zero NFL starting experience could end very very badly.