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I don't see the value at ILB in todays game as much as OL especially with the need at OL  and the run game if ben allows that.  However, if Bush for some reason loses speed and ability to the knife, then this pick makes more sense. 

The team has several needs, so as long as they address the needs it should help. No $ for UFA either and expect to have casualties along the way. Offseason will be colberts most difficult, thanks to the covid blackouts

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The only ILB I'd take in the 1st is Zaven Collins. I think the other guys are good players, but I would only move on a luxury pick if the guy is truly special. I don't think the other ILBs in the class have the potential to be truly special. Not enough to be our 1st round pick at least. 

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18 minutes ago, MOSteelers56 said:

The only ILB I'd take in the 1st is Zaven Collins. I think the other guys are good players, but I would only move on a luxury pick if the guy is truly special. I don't think the other ILBs in the class have the potential to be truly special. Not enough to be our 1st round pick at least. 

Micah Parsons is my only ILB I’d take and he’s not making it to us. 

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Yep, I'm not saying we SHOULD draft any ILB or Bolton in RD 1.
I was just musing the potential of the pairing.
I'm still all in on solving the line and running game.
And I'm still in on N.Harris.
 

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Nick Bolton is Vince Williams 2.0

He has no range and is a C-C gap LB. He's way overhyped. Chris Rumph would be a stellar ILB for the Steelers. He also excels at rushing the passer. He's a stud.

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It's not top of my list, but depending on how our off-season goes, I could get behind drafting a defensive player in the first (i'm just talking in general, no one player specifically).

Best way to mitigate an average/below-average offense and winning with a young QB is having a really good defense. It would ultimately depend on how the rest of the draft fell the next day....like if we missed out on any starting C's I would hate it.... but I could get behind it in the right circumstance. 

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I'm kinda against the defense thing.  Our defense is gonna be fine, and there's going to be so much depth available at so many different offensive positions that there's going to be some great value anywhere on offense.  OL, WR, RB....I can just feel it in my bones.  We're gonna end up with a DDC/Big Ben situation where someone awesome just unexpectedly falls this far.  Call it random, but I think Waddle might be available when we pick....and I would take him.

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6 hours ago, warfelg said:

I'm kinda against the defense thing.  Our defense is gonna be fine, and there's going to be so much depth available at so many different offensive positions that there's going to be some great value anywhere on offense.  OL, WR, RB....I can just feel it in my bones.  We're gonna end up with a DDC/Big Ben situation where someone awesome just unexpectedly falls this far.  Call it random, but I think Waddle might be available when we pick....and I would take him.

If Waddle was there, yes, we should take him.

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I am beginning to like the idea of an ILB like Micah Parsons, Nick Bolton, or Zaven Collins in round one "IF" he is the BPA over say drafting a lower tier LT or over-drafting a C because of needs at those two positions. I like Collins' range a little more than Bolton's, but I think both would do well in Black n Gold next to Bush. Great defenses will prevent top offenses from winning. The Steelers would be absolute studs defensively if they can solidify the middle of the defense. Cam, Tuitt, and Tyson up front IDL, Bush and Parsons, Bolton or Collins at the LB level and Edmunds and Minkah back deep.  Great combination of muscle up front, gazelle/deer like movement on the second level and outright speed behind them. 

I am in typically in favor of taking the BPA available over need especially this year because there are a variety of different needs and priorities. While many hate the fact of a RB in round one, I wouldn't mind if the RB was the absolute BPA (be that Harris or Entienne).  Conversely, I was not a fan of drafting Jarvis Jones in round one.  OLB/Edge was a huge need and was pushed way up on the priorities. In fact, too far! Many of us thought this after the pick was made and many said so beforehand when Jarvis Jones was rumored to be on the Steelers round one radar. I didn't think he graded out as a top OLB. Talent is evaluated differently by everyone and we all have hits and misses, but I think keeping the rule of draft value and fit in your team's scheme is important as well.

I think you have to weigh needs/priorities along with philosophy (BPA), and the depth and quality of the draft.  For example the depth and quality at TE seems to really drop after the top two TE's. Behind them the overall quality may not be as good as last year and 2020 was not considered a strong year at TE.

Often you may like a top ranked player, but there is a solid player in another round.  I love Quinn Meinerz for the Steelers. He has the attitude, swagger, muscle, motor and ability to develop into a top flight NFL C. I like some others as well including the top two C's. However,  I think Meinerz is a safer pick than the top two if taken in round two or three. He's a solid value in round two and I think a great value in round three. He fits both need and I see value taking him in either round two or three. 

What I don't want to see is a player over-valued/over-drafted grossly because of perceived needs. Needs can change based on injuries, cuts, cap, etc. 

 

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2 hours ago, Steeler Hitman said:

I am beginning to like the idea of an ILB like Micah Parsons, Nick Bolton, or Zaven Collins in round one "IF" he is the BPA over say drafting a lower tier LT or over-drafting a C because of needs at those two positions. I like Collins' range a little more than Bolton's, but I think both would do well in Black n Gold next to Bush. Great defenses will prevent top offenses from winning. The Steelers would be absolute studs defensively if they can solidify the middle of the defense. Cam, Tuitt, and Tyson up front IDL, Bush and Parsons, Bolton or Collins at the LB level and Edmunds and Minkah back deep.  Great combination of muscle up front, gazelle/deer like movement on the second level and outright speed behind them. 

I am in typically in favor of taking the BPA available over need especially this year because there are a variety of different needs and priorities. While many hate the fact of a RB in round one, I wouldn't mind if the RB was the absolute BPA (be that Harris or Entienne).  Conversely, I was not a fan of drafting Jarvis Jones in round one.  OLB/Edge was a huge need and was pushed way up on the priorities. In fact, too far! Many of us thought this after the pick was made and many said so beforehand when Jarvis Jones was rumored to be on the Steelers round one radar. I didn't think he graded out as a top OLB. Talent is evaluated differently by everyone and we all have hits and misses, but I think keeping the rule of draft value and fit in your team's scheme is important as well.

I think you have to weigh needs/priorities along with philosophy (BPA), and the depth and quality of the draft.  For example the depth and quality at TE seems to really drop after the top two TE's. Behind them the overall quality may not be as good as last year and 2020 was not considered a strong year at TE.

Often you may like a top ranked player, but there is a solid player in another round.  I love Quinn Meinerz for the Steelers. He has the attitude, swagger, muscle, motor and ability to develop into a top flight NFL C. I like some others as well including the top two C's. However,  I think Meinerz is a safer pick than the top two if taken in round two or three. He's a solid value in round two and I think a great value in round three. He fits both need and I see value taking him in either round two or three. 

What I don't want to see is a player over-valued/over-drafted grossly because of perceived needs. Needs can change based on injuries, cuts, cap, etc. 

 

Jarvis Jones. Such an awful pick.
Agree mostly on this , however I do like Humphries, Dickerson and Myers more than Meinerz in rounds 2-4. 
You have to be careful with post season stand outs vs big time game tape, which the others have.
I actually don't love our ILBs aside from Bush, so it's definitely a need, even though we play a lot of fronts and hybrids.
You have your 'Buck' types - Parsons, Browning, etc and then more 'Mack' types - Bolton, McGrone who are all interesting players.
If JuJu leaves, I also wouldn't rule out a WR. What if Bateman drops? It's going to be an interesting draft, for sure.

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19 hours ago, mwalker said:

If JuJu leaves, I also wouldn't rule out a WR. What if Bateman drops? It's going to be an interesting draft, for sure.

This WR class is pretty interesting. There are a lot of RB sized, quick, slot guys. That could be a very helpful type of player in Canada's offense. As much as I hate the idea of a 1st round RB, I'd kind of like to see what our offense would like like if we grabbed Etienne in the 1st and Amari Rodgers in the 3rd. Maybe a good center in the 2nd? That could reshape the entire offense. Creed Humphrey looked really athletic at his pro day. 

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