Forge Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, squire12 said: what benefit is it to the current players to have less total money league wide available for them if they are a FA, or about to become a FA if they are cut as a need for a team to get below a salary cap of $180M? Right, but that doesn't mean that they are going to fight to get it bumped up. The NFLPA knows just as well as we do that in order to fix this year, they are going to have to give up something big and they may not want to do that, so they may prefer to take it on the chin for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 This is from Spotrac and based off the $175M salary cap projection. Total league wide cap space available is $464,859,711 or an average of $14,526,866 Rookie picks $251,287,305 I don't see how the current veterans would want to have a market of around $210M for FA market rank team signed players avg age active contracts dead cap top 51 cap space 1 Jacksonville Jaguars 57 25.57 $125,703,331 $249,764 $128,862,887 $79,618,517 $132,822,887 $75,658,517 2 Indianapolis Colts 64 25.41 $123,498,215 $255,139 $114,813,354 $78,497,543 $123,753,354 $69,557,543 3 New York Jets 55 25.64 $123,116,697 $15,677,075 $136,153,772 $75,532,774 $138,793,772 $72,892,774 4 New England Patriots 57 26.7 $139,119,621 $863,689 $135,903,310 $68,667,937 $139,983,310 $64,587,937 5 Cincinnati Bengals 48 25.81 $147,805,422 $2,363,183 $150,168,605 $45,623,670 $150,168,605 $45,623,670 6 Washington Football Team 65 25.94 $163,196,917 $4,864,096 $157,741,013 $43,089,160 $168,061,013 $32,769,160 7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 30 26.5 $150,110,842 $827,102 $150,937,944 $38,644,114 $150,937,944 $38,644,114 8 Miami Dolphins 57 25.75 $168,070,545 $489,908 $164,600,453 $35,628,922 $168,560,453 $31,668,922 9 Los Angeles Chargers 45 25.71 $159,047,893 $58,008 $159,105,901 $33,966,398 $159,105,901 $33,966,398 10 Cleveland Browns 61 25.92 $192,866,511 $506,935 $185,693,446 $29,673,158 $193,373,446 $21,993,158 11 Baltimore Ravens 54 26.22 $146,842,293 $11,798,771 $156,541,064 $29,045,758 $158,641,064 $26,945,758 12 Denver Broncos 54 26.17 $175,716,460 $601,609 $174,098,069 $28,690,052 $176,318,069 $26,470,052 13 Dallas Cowboys 62 25.87 $181,219,660 $9,078,018 $182,677,678 $27,765,761 $190,297,678 $20,145,761 14 San Francisco 49ers 53 27.02 $155,620,632 $9,933,307 $165,553,939 $21,368,360 $165,553,939 $21,368,360 15 Arizona Cardinals 55 26.09 $167,197,827 $4,638,222 $170,512,007 $19,523,541 $171,836,049 $18,199,499 16 Carolina Panthers 54 25.83 $164,231,441 $9,155,807 $171,407,248 $17,863,434 $173,387,248 $15,883,434 17 Seattle Seahawks 49 26.02 $171,048,875 $1,308,598 $172,357,473 $13,599,004 $172,357,473 $13,599,004 18 New York Giants 68 26.46 $190,412,356 $3,222,623 $181,874,979 $7,926,396 $193,634,979 -$3,833,604 19 Buffalo Bills 54 26.81 $184,369,068 $2,873,544 $184,902,612 $3,869,343 $187,242,612 $1,529,343 20 Tennessee Titans 52 26.35 $185,057,356 $1,641,809 $186,039,165 $1,309,657 $186,699,165 $649,657 21 Chicago Bears 47 26.72 $190,685,085 $1,868,658 $192,553,743 -$510,748 $192,553,743 -$510,748 22 Detroit Lions 51 26.22 $179,378,157 $19,360,352 $198,738,509 -$919,041 $198,738,509 -$919,041 23 Minnesota Vikings 56 26.07 $197,041,630 $518,978 $194,140,608 -$4,614,284 $197,560,608 -$8,034,284 24 Houston Texans 53 26.96 $191,463,263 $360,773 $200,757,712 -$6,567,867 $202,077,712 -$7,887,867 25 Las Vegas Raiders 57 26.32 $199,232,860 $1,220,768 $197,811,607 -$9,237,636 $200,453,628 -$11,879,657 26 Kansas City Chiefs 45 26.34 $201,354,626 $693,525 $202,048,151 -$11,950,898 $202,048,151 -$11,950,898 27 Pittsburgh Steelers 54 26.28 $203,871,140 $6,837,962 $208,729,102 -$18,778,547 $210,709,102 -$20,758,547 28 Green Bay Packers 61 26.07 $217,567,369 $353,141 $210,600,510 -$21,851,617 $217,920,510 -$29,171,617 29 Atlanta Falcons 42 26.64 $202,223,007 $7,774,444 $209,997,451 -$23,216,845 $209,997,451 -$23,216,845 30 Los Angeles Rams 63 25.84 $194,472,671 $30,792,097 $215,904,768 -$25,230,627 $225,264,768 -$34,590,627 31 Philadelphia Eagles 64 26.36 $258,457,828 $538,858 $249,216,686 -$41,459,911 $258,996,686 -$51,239,911 32 New Orleans Saints 61 27.57 $267,152,283 $235,673 $259,827,956 -$70,705,767 $267,387,956 -$78,265,767 total $464,859,711 avg per team $14,526,866 Rookie pool Team Total Rookie Pool Jaguars $14,534,481 Jets $11,926,274 Texans $5,867,986 Falcons $11,111,858 Bengals $9,418,003 Eagles $8,929,631 Lions $7,349,144 Panthers $8,969,828 Broncos $8,911,889 Cowboys $9,603,333 Giants $6,573,743 49ers $9,104,447 Chargers $8,400,000 Vikings $9,514,126 Patriots $8,967,991 Cardinals $5,187,136 Raiders $5,269,376 Dolphins $11,962,766 Washington $7,321,312 Bears $7,060,981 Colts $6,425,988 Titans $6,552,240 Seahawks $3,085,093 Steelers $7,705,266 Rams $4,610,399 Browns $7,845,228 Ravens $6,269,143 Saints $4,943,112 Packers $8,253,136 Bills $5,373,328 Buccaneers $6,756,486 Chiefs $7,483,581 total $251,287,305 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 35 minutes ago, ACO said: Dak won't play on another tag. So if they can't work it out I would assume they will tag and trade him. If he plays on this tag (37.7?) then he is free next year or they have to tag him at about 54 million. He's almost out of the Kirk Cousins tunnel, don't turn back now. Get an insurance policy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 FYI - Spotrac is a good reference but Overthecap is usually more accurate/up to date. It also has that handy calculator for trades and cuts before and after June 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACO Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, SkippyX said: If he plays on this tag (37.7?) then he is free next year or they have to tag him at about 54 million. He's almost out of the Kirk Cousins tunnel, don't turn back now. Get an insurance policy. I get that logic but won't risk getting hurt again. He played that game last year. I don't see him doing it again. But either way Dak will be getting PAAAAAID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, squire12 said: This is from Spotrac and based off the $175M salary cap projection. Total league wide cap space available is $464,859,711 or an average of $14,526,866 Rookie picks $251,287,305 I don't see how the current veterans would want to have a market of around $210M for FA market rank team signed players avg age active contracts dead cap top 51 cap space 1 Jacksonville Jaguars 57 25.57 $125,703,331 $249,764 $128,862,887 $79,618,517 $132,822,887 $75,658,517 2 Indianapolis Colts 64 25.41 $123,498,215 $255,139 $114,813,354 $78,497,543 $123,753,354 $69,557,543 3 New York Jets 55 25.64 $123,116,697 $15,677,075 $136,153,772 $75,532,774 $138,793,772 $72,892,774 4 New England Patriots 57 26.7 $139,119,621 $863,689 $135,903,310 $68,667,937 $139,983,310 $64,587,937 5 Cincinnati Bengals 48 25.81 $147,805,422 $2,363,183 $150,168,605 $45,623,670 $150,168,605 $45,623,670 6 Washington Football Team 65 25.94 $163,196,917 $4,864,096 $157,741,013 $43,089,160 $168,061,013 $32,769,160 7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 30 26.5 $150,110,842 $827,102 $150,937,944 $38,644,114 $150,937,944 $38,644,114 8 Miami Dolphins 57 25.75 $168,070,545 $489,908 $164,600,453 $35,628,922 $168,560,453 $31,668,922 9 Los Angeles Chargers 45 25.71 $159,047,893 $58,008 $159,105,901 $33,966,398 $159,105,901 $33,966,398 10 Cleveland Browns 61 25.92 $192,866,511 $506,935 $185,693,446 $29,673,158 $193,373,446 $21,993,158 11 Baltimore Ravens 54 26.22 $146,842,293 $11,798,771 $156,541,064 $29,045,758 $158,641,064 $26,945,758 12 Denver Broncos 54 26.17 $175,716,460 $601,609 $174,098,069 $28,690,052 $176,318,069 $26,470,052 13 Dallas Cowboys 62 25.87 $181,219,660 $9,078,018 $182,677,678 $27,765,761 $190,297,678 $20,145,761 14 San Francisco 49ers 53 27.02 $155,620,632 $9,933,307 $165,553,939 $21,368,360 $165,553,939 $21,368,360 15 Arizona Cardinals 55 26.09 $167,197,827 $4,638,222 $170,512,007 $19,523,541 $171,836,049 $18,199,499 16 Carolina Panthers 54 25.83 $164,231,441 $9,155,807 $171,407,248 $17,863,434 $173,387,248 $15,883,434 17 Seattle Seahawks 49 26.02 $171,048,875 $1,308,598 $172,357,473 $13,599,004 $172,357,473 $13,599,004 18 New York Giants 68 26.46 $190,412,356 $3,222,623 $181,874,979 $7,926,396 $193,634,979 -$3,833,604 19 Buffalo Bills 54 26.81 $184,369,068 $2,873,544 $184,902,612 $3,869,343 $187,242,612 $1,529,343 20 Tennessee Titans 52 26.35 $185,057,356 $1,641,809 $186,039,165 $1,309,657 $186,699,165 $649,657 21 Chicago Bears 47 26.72 $190,685,085 $1,868,658 $192,553,743 -$510,748 $192,553,743 -$510,748 22 Detroit Lions 51 26.22 $179,378,157 $19,360,352 $198,738,509 -$919,041 $198,738,509 -$919,041 23 Minnesota Vikings 56 26.07 $197,041,630 $518,978 $194,140,608 -$4,614,284 $197,560,608 -$8,034,284 24 Houston Texans 53 26.96 $191,463,263 $360,773 $200,757,712 -$6,567,867 $202,077,712 -$7,887,867 25 Las Vegas Raiders 57 26.32 $199,232,860 $1,220,768 $197,811,607 -$9,237,636 $200,453,628 -$11,879,657 26 Kansas City Chiefs 45 26.34 $201,354,626 $693,525 $202,048,151 -$11,950,898 $202,048,151 -$11,950,898 27 Pittsburgh Steelers 54 26.28 $203,871,140 $6,837,962 $208,729,102 -$18,778,547 $210,709,102 -$20,758,547 28 Green Bay Packers 61 26.07 $217,567,369 $353,141 $210,600,510 -$21,851,617 $217,920,510 -$29,171,617 29 Atlanta Falcons 42 26.64 $202,223,007 $7,774,444 $209,997,451 -$23,216,845 $209,997,451 -$23,216,845 30 Los Angeles Rams 63 25.84 $194,472,671 $30,792,097 $215,904,768 -$25,230,627 $225,264,768 -$34,590,627 31 Philadelphia Eagles 64 26.36 $258,457,828 $538,858 $249,216,686 -$41,459,911 $258,996,686 -$51,239,911 32 New Orleans Saints 61 27.57 $267,152,283 $235,673 $259,827,956 -$70,705,767 $267,387,956 -$78,265,767 total $464,859,711 avg per team $14,526,866 Rookie pool Team Total Rookie Pool Jaguars $14,534,481 Jets $11,926,274 Texans $5,867,986 Falcons $11,111,858 Bengals $9,418,003 Eagles $8,929,631 Lions $7,349,144 Panthers $8,969,828 Broncos $8,911,889 Cowboys $9,603,333 Giants $6,573,743 49ers $9,104,447 Chargers $8,400,000 Vikings $9,514,126 Patriots $8,967,991 Cardinals $5,187,136 Raiders $5,269,376 Dolphins $11,962,766 Washington $7,321,312 Bears $7,060,981 Colts $6,425,988 Titans $6,552,240 Seahawks $3,085,093 Steelers $7,705,266 Rams $4,610,399 Browns $7,845,228 Ravens $6,269,143 Saints $4,943,112 Packers $8,253,136 Bills $5,373,328 Buccaneers $6,756,486 Chiefs $7,483,581 total $251,287,305 But what do you have to give up and which is more important? I don't know that this one year is worth giving up whatever it is going to require to borrower against future years....and here's the thing, it's a one year bandaid. You're borrowing against future years. You're likely not getting this as a grant. It's an interest free loan. So sure, you get a bump of 30 this year, but they're probably going to reduce the cap 10 million for each of the next three from where it was. I just don't know if one single year is enough for the entirety of the NFLPA to fight for. There's going to be a decent contingent of players (likely the guys on the bottom of the pole) that may not want to do it. I haven't heard of the PA wanting to fight for a higher cap at this point and as we both acknowledged, that's going to take an entire CBA addendum...it's a big deal. So are we even sure that's something that is really going to happen. I get why the players want more money. That's not in question. 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Forge Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, SkippyX said: If he plays on this tag (37.7?) then he is free next year or they have to tag him at about 54 million. He's almost out of the Kirk Cousins tunnel, don't turn back now. Get an insurance policy. Yeah, if I'm Dak, I kind of take the tag and run unless he knows something is wrong with the ankle (which doesn't appear to be the case) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Forge said: Yeah, if I'm Dak, I kind of take the tag and run unless he knows something is wrong with the ankle (which doesn't appear to be the case) 2 years 69 million before getting your huge deal is not the worst case scenario. Spend 500k on the insurance. (I have no idea what this kind of policy costs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Forge said: But what do you have to give up and which is more important? I don't know that this one year is worth giving up whatever it is going to require to borrower against future years....and here's the thing, it's a one year bandaid. You're borrowing against future years. You're likely not getting this as a grant. It's an interest free loan. So sure, you get a bump of 30 this year, but they're probably going to reduce the cap 10 million for each of the next three from where it was. I just don't know if one single year is enough for the entirety of the NFLPA to fight for. There's going to be a decent contingent of players (likely the guys on the bottom of the pole) that may not want to do it. I haven't heard of the PA wanting to fight for a higher cap at this point and as we both acknowledged, that's going to take an entire CBA addendum...it's a big deal. So are we even sure that's something that is really going to happen. I get why the players want more money. That's not in question. What's in question is whether or not its worth it to them I'm not sure what the current players would be willing to give up for $$ now for them vs what future players may have to deal with. Players like $$. Agree that a decision to adjust the cap now affects things down stream. So does a bunch of players signing 1 year cheap deals and flooding the FA market again next season. It will be an interesting next 4-5 weeks as this gets finalized before the new league year opens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Forge said: Yeah, if I'm Dak, I kind of take the tag and run unless he knows something is wrong with the ankle (which doesn't appear to be the case) I would as well. 2020 salary was $31.4M on the first tag. It goes up to 120% of that to $37.68M Dallas would be hard pressed to be able to afford a 3rd tag at 144% (assuming that is the rule still on the consecutive year franchise tag). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 IMO, if there was going to be a big push by either side on raising this year's cap, we would've heard more about it already. That's an opinion either side would want out there, to try to rally fans and public support around the idea. They would've been working on that end for months already. Ultimately though, assuming any cap increase this year would involve borrowing from future years (which it would basically have to, as the owners aren't going to yield on the CBA's allocation of how much money goes to the players), the only people incentivized by raising the cap in 2021 would be this year's pending free agent class, and whatever select few teams would really want that. The players as a whole wouldn't care when the money falls. If you're already on a contract, it's pretty irrelevant to you. If you're on a contract that expires in 2022 or 2023, you're incentivized to not want to shift cap money from those years into this one. It's really just anyone looking to get paid in 2021 that is going to want it raised, and ultimately that's going to be a small minority in the grand scheme of things. And even for those players, their agents will be able to get them their money, it likely just changes the structure in which it comes. They'll still get paid, just maybe in more signing bonus or future year's of guaranteed salary, as opposed to much money up front. And then I imagine the owners don't care much either way. You probably have a few teams that would really like to push for help this year, if they were counting on this year being a salary dump year or something, akin to last year's Patriots. But those will be few and far between. Every team should have been planning for months for this. I know the Chiefs FO was quoted a little bit ago saying they'd be comfortable with anything in the $180M - $185M. Even the worst off teams have had multiple fanmade roadmaps for getting under the cap for months now. And someone said the league doesn't want quality of play to decrease because they have to cut a bunch of guys. Those guys will circulate around. The vast majority of cap casualty guys, or FAs who would normally go for $5M+, would still rather have $1M or $2M on a one year deal, than sit at home all offseason. There will be bargain bin deals aplenty, as guys want to stay in the league, even if it means a lower value deal. A ton of guys are going to have the 2020 Bashaud Breeland free agency experience. Where they think they earned themselves a market, find out they didn't, and then settle, because $2M is better than what they're getting doing anything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: IMO, if there was going to be a big push by either side on raising this year's cap, we would've heard more about it already. That's an opinion either side would want out there, to try to rally fans and public support around the idea. They would've been working on that end for months already. Ultimately though, assuming any cap increase this year would involve borrowing from future years (which it would basically have to, as the owners aren't going to yield on the CBA's allocation of how much money goes to the players), the only people incentivized by raising the cap in 2021 would be this year's pending free agent class, and whatever select few teams would really want that. The players as a whole wouldn't care when the money falls. If you're already on a contract, it's pretty irrelevant to you. If you're on a contract that expires in 2022 or 2023, you're incentivized to not want to shift cap money from those years into this one. It's really just anyone looking to get paid in 2021 that is going to want it raised, and ultimately that's going to be a small minority in the grand scheme of things. And even for those players, their agents will be able to get them their money, it likely just changes the structure in which it comes. They'll still get paid, just maybe in more signing bonus or future year's of guaranteed salary, as opposed to much money up front. And then I imagine the owners don't care much either way. You probably have a few teams that would really like to push for help this year, if they were counting on this year being a salary dump year or something, akin to last year's Patriots. But those will be few and far between. Every team should have been planning for months for this. I know the Chiefs FO was quoted a little bit ago saying they'd be comfortable with anything in the $180M - $185M. Even the worst off teams have had multiple fanmade roadmaps for getting under the cap for months now. And someone said the league doesn't want quality of play to decrease because they have to cut a bunch of guys. Those guys will circulate around. The vast majority of cap casualty guys, or FAs who would normally go for $5M+, would still rather have $1M or $2M on a one year deal, than sit at home all offseason. There will be bargain bin deals aplenty, as guys want to stay in the league, even if it means a lower value deal. A ton of guys are going to have the 2020 Bashaud Breeland free agency experience. Where they think they earned themselves a market, find out they didn't, and then settle, because $2M is better than what they're getting doing anything else. Can't disagree with this. But for every cheap 1 year deal players sign this year means that many more FA in 2022. To imply that has no effect on future potential earnings is foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I live in Pittsburgh, and rumorville has it that the Steelers want Aaron Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ravishingone Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 minute ago, RaidersAreOne said: Never going to complain about a player wanting to get paid. It will be interesting to see what his market will be at age 31. On a yearly avg, I don t think the Bucs will make him the highest paid LB in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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