Arthur Penske Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I don’t view this as a defense of his performance as DC, but more of some background/context. Some of it has already been mentioned. For example, I didn’t know he was rolling with 5 UDFAs in 2008. The defense sucked before he arrived and after he left The offense during his time in DET was abysmal in time of possession. The defense he inherited in WA was 29th before he arrived. His first year in Washington the defense lost talent and still improved in pts and yards from the year before he arrived. Albeit, not to a very high level - held opposing defenses under 20 pts 6 times. - won a playoff game Vs the Cowboys, giving up 23 pts. - The Washington defense got worse after he left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Rams Linebacker Raves About New Packers Defensive Coordinator Joe Barry - Sports Illustrated Green Bay Packers News, Analysis and More Ill post all the fluff pieces. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 25 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: Rams Linebacker Raves About New Packers Defensive Coordinator Joe Barry - Sports Illustrated Green Bay Packers News, Analysis and More Ill post all the fluff pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 46 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: Rams Linebacker Raves About New Packers Defensive Coordinator Joe Barry - Sports Illustrated Green Bay Packers News, Analysis and More Ill post all the fluff pieces. Barry will definitely need a fluffer based on his resume. But yeah, the optimist in me says it's his recent work with Staley and how that lines up with LaFleur's vision that got him the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) In his defense, it's worth pointing out, as the article says, that the Redskins defense was worse in points per game both before he got there and after he left. He has the qualifications to be a decent DC. Whether he can take this defense to heights past what Pettine was able to do remains to be seen. But he will have more talent to work with than he's ever had as a DC. Edited February 11, 2021 by Brat&Beer Mind your own business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 After reading all of this stuff and fluff about Barry, let's just call him a bust at this time. He's terrible. Awful. Nothing about him inspires any kind of confidence that he can get the job done. Let's start the "Bury Barry" thread. And hope, eh, pray that we can have a Crow Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, vegas492 said: After reading all of this stuff and fluff about Barry, let's just call him a bust at this time. He's terrible. Awful. Nothing about him inspires any kind of confidence that he can get the job done. Let's start the "Bury Barry" thread. And hope, eh, pray that we can have a Crow Party. I’m trying to think of the last time a retread defensive coordinator with a questionable track record had a late-career revival? I know it’s possible, and I’d really like to see that happen with Barry. Anyone remember when the last time a defensive coordinator turned his career around after a few failed attempts, or would Barry potentially be a precedent setter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Sasquatch said: I’m trying to think of the last time a retread defensive coordinator with a questionable track record had a late-career revival? I know it’s possible, and I’d really like to see that happen with Barry. Anyone remember when the last time a defensive coordinator turned his career around after a few failed attempts, or would Barry potentially be a precedent setter? Todd Bowles, Dom Capers?, Leslie Frazier. I think you could get a long list of DC that went on and failed as a HC but then had success as a DC again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, Kenrik said: Todd Bowles, Dom Capers?, Leslie Frazier. I think you could get a long list of DC that went on and failed as a HC but then had success as a DC again. soon as the minnesota coach gets fired he'll be on that list very quickly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Kenrik said: Todd Bowles, Dom Capers?, Leslie Frazier. I think you could get a long list of DC that went on and failed as a HC but then had success as a DC again. For sure some guys have gone DC-HC-DC with some success back down as coordinators. I’m wondering more about guys that have never risen to the HC level and have stayed at the coordinator level. I happen to think it’s possible - I mean hell, Walt Disney failed dozens of times before he finally learned from his mistakes and hit paydirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I'd probably be able to convince myself that Barry got hired because he blew MLF away with an incredible interview and his detailed plans for what he would do with this GB defense, But then I remember that Leonhard was the guy who did that, and Barry is not the guy MLF wanted. Any way I look at it, this isn't the direction MLF wanted to go. At any rate, this is the direction the team is head, so what is the defense missing that they'll need to actually run the Fangio scheme effectively? Seems like more than one DL will be needed who is above JAG level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Mazrimiv said: I'd probably be able to convince myself that Barry got hired because he blew MLF away with an incredible interview and his detailed plans for what he would do with this GB defense, But then I remember that Leonhard was the guy who did that, and Barry is not the guy MLF wanted. Any way I look at it, this isn't the direction MLF wanted to go. At any rate, this is the direction the team is head, so what is the defense missing that they'll need to actually run the Fangio scheme effectively? Seems like more than one DL will be needed who is above JAG level. Gute talked about the need to upgrade the production at ILB. Kirk Olivadotti, the ILB coach was Barry's LB coach when Barry was the DC in Washington. So I would imagine they're having some in depth discussions about whether they currently have the LB's to make this defense go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 In other words, MLF got his "yes man" at DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryTsraining3s Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, packfanfb said: In other words, MLF got his "yes man" at DC. Most of the time I would take this as a bad thing, but in this is case.....is it? (Granted I don't agree that's even the case, but if it was the case I don't even agree that it's a bad thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, packfanfb said: In other words, MLF got his "yes man" at DC. Can't complain too much at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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