Pugger Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 10 hours ago, Malfatron said: But hey, Kevin King, amiright? I still bristle at that move by TT in that draft. 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 10 hours ago, warfelg said: Alex Smith not unanimous CPOY. Whoever that one is that didn’t vote for him should have their vote stripped. Who got the other vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pugger said: Who got the other vote? Ben Roethlisberger. No clue why and no one knows who voted for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Aaron Donald was the wrong choice for DPOY. TJ Watt should have gotten it last year, most definitely should have this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, warfelg said: And Watt gets this on 80% of his rushes: All of the good ones do it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, warfelg said: Ben Roethlisberger. No clue why and no one knows who voted for him. Yes, I saw this after I inquired. Nothing against Big Ben but that voter had no business voting that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I was disappointed LeRoy Butler was left out again. Bravo to Sir Charles. It will be nice to see his name next to the other greats at Lambeau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, warfelg said: And Watt gets this on 80% of his rushes: AD also got held a lot and I think it was called maybe once all year. Guessing they called more than that in favor of TJ, which creates better pass rush situations. I'd have been fine with TJ winning it but it says something that the Rams allowed less points and yards despite TJ having more talent around him than AD in the front 7, while having a QB who turned the ball 17 times vs Roethlisberger's 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, FrantikRam said: AD also got held a lot and I think it was called maybe once all year. Guessing they called more than that in favor of TJ, which creates better pass rush situations. I'd have been fine with TJ winning it but it says something that the Rams allowed less points and yards despite TJ having more talent around him than AD in the front 7, while having a QB who turned the ball 17 times vs Roethlisberger's 11. Both teams had 16 holding calls in their benefit. For the Steelers only 2 came against RT's, but without watching tape, hard to say if TJ was on the field for them or not. For the Rams, 9 of those holdings came from OG/OC, again it's hard to say if AD was on the field or matched up against that IOL that committed the penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVRamsFan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 hours ago, warfelg said: And Watt gets this on 80% of his rushes: LOL That's every play vs AD, only way they know how to do it. It's kind of like Shaq you could have called a foul every play somebody was "guarding him" same holds true for those "blocking" AD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, NVRamsFan said: LOL That's every play vs AD, only way they know how to do it. It's kind of like Shaq you could have called a foul every play somebody was "guarding him" same holds true for those "blocking" AD. Yea, and that one I showed the picture of wasn't even flagged. In all honesty, to make sure my POV heere isn't misconstrued, I'm not saying that Aaron Donald wasn't deserving by an means. He's gonna easily be a top 2 option every single year. My issue is the inconsistency that Donald put up similar stats in 2019 with a similar impact, and wasn't good enough to get it; and Gilmore got it while not having a huge gap between him and the next best DB (Tre'Davious White). Now Donald puts up the same stats in 2020, and in many ways TJ Watt grew the cap some between him and the next best all around edge player statistically and that doesn't matter. Long story short either TJ Watt got snubbed by voters 2019 standards in 2020 or Aaron Donald got snubbed by voters 2020 standards in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, warfelg said: Yea, and that one I showed the picture of wasn't even flagged. In all honesty, to make sure my POV heere isn't misconstrued, I'm not saying that Aaron Donald wasn't deserving by an means. He's gonna easily be a top 2 option every single year. My issue is the inconsistency that Donald put up similar stats in 2019 with a similar impact, and wasn't good enough to get it; and Gilmore got it while not having a huge gap between him and the next best DB (Tre'Davious White). Now Donald puts up the same stats in 2020, and in many ways TJ Watt grew the cap some between him and the next best all around edge player statistically and that doesn't matter. Long story short either TJ Watt got snubbed by voters 2019 standards in 2020 or Aaron Donald got snubbed by voters 2020 standards in 2019. Last year the Rams defense wasn't as good as it was this year. I think you're ignoring that the Rams had more sacks from guys you've never heard of than they got from AD and Floyd. And even with that, it was by far Floyd's best season. So you have the individual impact, which TJ had him beat. But team impact - once you consider how average every other pass rusher is for the Rams - was in Donald's favor. From having the better defense statistically to AD freeing up Morgan Fox and Justin Hollins to get sacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, warfelg said: Yea, and that one I showed the picture of wasn't even flagged. In all honesty, to make sure my POV heere isn't misconstrued, I'm not saying that Aaron Donald wasn't deserving by an means. He's gonna easily be a top 2 option every single year. My issue is the inconsistency that Donald put up similar stats in 2019 with a similar impact, and wasn't good enough to get it; and Gilmore got it while not having a huge gap between him and the next best DB (Tre'Davious White). Now Donald puts up the same stats in 2020, and in many ways TJ Watt grew the cap some between him and the next best all around edge player statistically and that doesn't matter. Long story short either TJ Watt got snubbed by voters 2019 standards in 2020 or Aaron Donald got snubbed by voters 2020 standards in 2019. And that said, I also wouldn't have been the least bit upset if TJ won it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJaxxenGuy Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 What Donald does at DT is more special/rare than what Watt does at OLB. Comparing their season stats 1:1 is bone headed. The real surprise was getting it over Xavien Howard IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, FrantikRam said: Last year the Rams defense wasn't as good as it was this year. I think you're ignoring that the Rams had more sacks from guys you've never heard of than they got from AD and Floyd. And even with that, it was by far Floyd's best season. So you have the individual impact, which TJ had him beat. But team impact - once you consider how average every other pass rusher is for the Rams - was in Donald's favor. From having the better defense statistically to AD freeing up Morgan Fox and Justin Hollins to get sacks I'm not ignoring anything. Just that there's an inconsistency from year to year in some of the criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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