Apparition Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 A lot has been made about Eric Bieniemy, thought to be the big-ticket candidate for the last couple of years, not landing a HC job. Brian Daboll fits into this category as well. I wonder how much of that might be linked back to the failures of other high-profile OC-to-HC hires who made names for themselves by working with elite QB talent. Dating back a little more than a decade, we've seen a string of OCs who worked with Tom Brady (McDaniels, O'Brien), Peyton Manning (Gase), Aaron Rodgers (Philbin), Drew Brees (Marrone) and Philip Rivers (Cameron) fall on their faces at their first head coaching opportunity (and more than that in a couple of cases). Meanwhile, the OCs who have received first-time HC opportunities in recent years, and been successful, have tended to be guys who have worked with 2nd and 3rd-tier QB talent (Shanahan, LaFleur, McVay, Stefanski, arguably Nagy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Call it the Adam Gase effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Pete Carmichael used to get floated as a potential HC frequently, but I haven’t seen that for a while. I don’t know of any Saints fans that were scared to lose him, nor do I remember any of them ever thinking he’d be a good HC. Edit: he also has a face custom built for falling flat onto. Edited February 7, 2021 by Dome 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Bieniemy has 5 separate run ins with the law. (as a player in college / pros and as a college coach) The media ignores this from their high pulpit of judgment (or in SI's case pretends it was 2 and minimizes 1 of them) He does not call the plays. It is not his offense. He should not be lumped in with anyone for any reason,. He is his own very complicated thing. McDaniels got 2 jobs even if he destroyed one of them and messed with future prospects. Reich got a job after working with MVP-level Wentz and playoff magician Foles. Shanahan got a job after MVP Ryan LaFleur got a job shortly after working with the Rams top 5 offense of 2017 Arthur Smith got a job after King Henry 2K Gase got 2 jobs a few years after 2013 Daboll got his first 2 interviews and was blocked from Philly because of timing. The same thing has been true of the hot defensive guys outside of old washed up dudes Schwartz and Phillips McDermott, Saleh, Quinn, Patricia, Flores 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) I think guys get hyped because of it. Outsiders who don’t have the ability to interview coaches or check their references lean on the only thing they have which is the performance of the unit they coached. It gets even more ridiculous with position coaches. A team has a lot of good WRs. “Oh that receiver coach must be good.” But yeah. KC has one of the most talented offenses ever. I think Andy Reid calls the plays. I think it’s very reasonable to to question why Bienemy is a must hire. Edited February 7, 2021 by DontTazeMeBro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Gus Bradley got a job so fast he did not even wait around for Seattle to win a Super Bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Greg Roman is another guy who has put together some splashy offenses and has not gotten a job (or even all that much attention AFAIK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, SkippyX said: McDaniels got 2 jobs even if he destroyed one of them and messed with future prospects. Reich got a job after working with MVP-level Wentz and playoff magician Foles. Shanahan got a job after MVP Ryan LaFleur got a job shortly after working with the Rams top 5 offense of 2017 Arthur Smith got a job after King Henry 2K None of these are in the same category as guys spending multiple years with Brady/Manning/Rodgers-tier QBs running the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I think both guys suffered from their teams playing on in the post-season. Teams are often times rushing to make a hire (which is moronic to me) and don't want to wait for teams making deep playoff runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 35 minutes ago, Starless said: None of these are in the same category as guys spending multiple years with Brady/Manning/Rodgers-tier QBs running the show. But you included Daboll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Forge said: But you included Daboll? fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Worth noting: Matt LaFleur left the Rams OC job for the Titans OC job so he could call the plays and be more of a true OC. Seems like the move Bienemy may need to take to get away from Reids shadow (if he wants to be a HC) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUGmen Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I would say it’s more of OCs who work under an already elite offensive minded HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, FrantikRam said: Worth noting: Matt LaFleur left the Rams OC job for the Titans OC job so he could call the plays and be more of a true OC. Seems like the move Bienemy may need to take to get away from Reids shadow (if he wants to be a HC) The problem is, we don't know why EB isn't getting these jobs. I don't think that it's all about playcalling...I mean, has Dan Campbell ever called plays? Sirianni? I don't think they have. There's more going on here all around. Its much bigger than just a single thing, I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Forge said: The problem is, we don't know why EB isn't getting these jobs. I don't think that it's all about playcalling...I mean, has Dan Campbell ever called plays? Sirianni? I don't think they have. There's more going on here all around. Its much bigger than just a single thing, I believe. Sure. Another possibility is that he's not good at interviewing for these jobs. Just pointing out that LaFleur made the right move to take a true OC job and if EB is looking for a path to being a HC, that is what I would do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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