LieutenantGains Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 I'll go 2002 slightly. But if the 2020 Buccaneers had held on to those interceptions... I saw like 4 or 5 dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awsi Dooger Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 It's not remotely close. The 2002 Buccaneers pass defense was phenomenal all season and particularly in road games. They had the best road pass defense I have ever seen. I believe it was 4.8 YPA. Something like that. It is the reason that Tampa Bay team was perfectly suited to dominating playoff games away from home. Given the huge interception numbers of 6.1% of opponent passes, it led to a ridiculous Adjusted Yards Per Attempt of 3.12. That is not a misprint: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2002.htm In contrast, the 2020 Buccaneers had a nice defense but it equated to a regular season Adjusted Yards Per Attempt of 6.83. More than double: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2020.htm 2002 had a far superior defense in the postseason because they were superior overall. That's why these comparisons are indeed silly. I don't know one handicapper who uses DVOA. It would be asinine to use DVOA, because DVOA flies in the face of base logic. Pro football is based on a common draft and league parity. Even the gap from the top team to the bottom team is not much at all, given the standards in other sports. If Jacksonville had defeated Kansas City it would be a surprise and a brief story but nothing like some of the famous college upsets of all time. Quarterback level varies wildly in the NFL. That's what dictates outcomes these days, given the rules and application of them. Otherwise the more you adjust away from all things being the same in the NFL, the more you are wrong. And that's what DVOA attempts to do...mesmerize by adjusting anything and everything. Only suckers fall for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Super Bowl? 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Feel like some people aren't reading the thread title. Chiefs may well not even trotted an oline out there. That was an impressive performance by the Bucs D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 15 hours ago, evilflamingo said: Agree with all of those as more impressive than the Seahawks. You should also add 2000 Ravens which defense allowed 0 points, 152 total yards, had 5 takeaways and 1 defensive score. For the Bucs, I'd say 2002 slightly ahead of Sunday's display. The 2000 Ravens were playing against Kerry Collins. The 2002 Bucs played against the league MVP and the 2020 Bucs played against Patrick Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonOfDepth Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 You gotta think about how they did it to the Packers and Saints o-line too. Chiefs weren't even the best O-line they faced in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilflamingo Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 hours ago, biggie. said: The 2000 Ravens were playing against Kerry Collins. The 2002 Bucs played against the league MVP and the 2020 Bucs played against Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, you can't impact who you're up against. 2000 Ravens had already disposed of Gannon's Raiders in the AFCC where they gave up 191 yards and 3 points (a FG on a short field after a Dilfer INT), with 5 takeaways. But it's OK to disagree and since this isn't even the topic of the conversation, I suggest we leave it at this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Can’t be the Bucs 2020 because the Chiefs didn’t prepare properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 On 2/7/2021 at 10:13 PM, mw2noobbuster said: Seahawks in 2013 will never be matched sorry. *The 2000 Ravens have entered the chatroom* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 9 hours ago, biggie. said: The 2000 Ravens were playing against Kerry Collins. The 2002 Bucs played against the league MVP and the 2020 Bucs played against Patrick Mahomes. They also dismantled everyone the entire season, including the postseason. And I literally hate the Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalvadorsDeli Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: They also dismantled everyone the entire season, including the postseason. And I literally hate the Ravens. Yep. That Giants team was coming off a 41-0 beatdown win in the NFC Title game too, it's not like they were slouches. The Ravens defense actually SCORED more touchdowns over the course of 4 postseason games (2) than they actually gave up (1). We can quibble around the edges around strength of competition and stuff like that but from a dominance standpoint, they basically pitched a perfect game for a month straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, SalvadorsDeli said: Yep. That Giants team was coming off a 41-0 beatdown win in the NFC Title game too, it's not like they were slouches. The Ravens defense actually SCORED more touchdowns over the course of 4 postseason games (2) than they actually gave up (1). We can quibble around the edges around strength of competition and stuff like that but from a dominance standpoint, they basically pitched a perfect game for a month straight. The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs effectively got Cover 2 made illegal and illegal contact a point of emphasis due to their dominance/physicality. People have conveniently forgotten that for some reason. Everyone remembers Ray, but people have somehow forgotten Boulware. That Back 7, even aside from the rush that the Bucs had with Brooks, Phillips, Lynch, and Ronde Barber was a "no fly zone" combined with unbelievable (and today very illegal) physicality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: The 2000 Ravens and 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs effectively got Cover 2 made illegal and illegal contact a point of emphasis due to their dominance/physicality. People have conveniently forgotten that for some reason. Everyone remembers Ray, but people have somehow forgotten Boulware. That Back 7, even aside from the rush that the Bucs had with Brooks, Phillips, Lynch, and Ronde Barber was a "no fly zone" combined with unbelievable (and today very illegal) physicality. That’s another point. 2020 Bucs did it against the best QB in the league in an era with arcade mode offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 85 Bears.... allowed 10 points..... IN THE ENTIRE PLAYOFFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 38 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: That’s another point. 2020 Bucs did it against the best QB in the league in an era with arcade mode offense. You can make the argument that the 2002 Bucs did the exact same thing. Rich Gannon was the hands down MVP and that offense was unreal, with 2 HOF WR's and a solid running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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