NYRaider Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: I'm just higher on his upside I guess. He's only 21 and he's shown a solid feel for the game. Just need to tighten up his efficiency (read: shot selection) and I think he'll be a really good player. His year 2 stats are basically identical to Clarkson's year 2 stats. Herro has a good feel for the game but he's a good, not great athlete with a pretty slight frame. Has been injured and missed significant portions of his first 2 seasons in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: His year 2 stats are basically identical to Clarkson's year 2 stats. Herro has a good feel for the game but he's a good, not great athlete with a pretty slight frame. Has been injured and missed significant portions of his first 2 seasons in the league. I'm not denying that. He might settle in as a 6th man; that's probably his most likely outcome. I would still gamble on him to be more, though. I'd make an offer around #17 for him if Bouknight is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, NYRaider said: His year 2 stats are basically identical to Clarkson's year 2 stats. Herro has a good feel for the game but he's a good, not great athlete with a pretty slight frame. Has been injured and missed significant portions of his first 2 seasons in the league. And according to 90% of this board, he was a chucker with the Lakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: I'm not denying that. He might settle in as a 6th man; that's probably his most likely outcome. I would still gamble on him to be more, though. I'd make an offer around #17 for him if Bouknight is gone. This. Add on the fact that Herro is making just over $4M next year while Clarkson is making just over $12.4M and that Herro is 6 years younger, it's not even close who is more valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, CWood21 said: And according to 90% of this board, he was a chucker with the Lakers. 21 minutes ago, CWood21 said: This. Add on the fact that Herro is making just over $4M next year while Clarkson is making just over $12.4M and that Herro is 6 years younger, it's not even close who is more valuable. Who said that Clarkson was more valuable as a trade asset than Herro? I said that his career trajectory is likely to be much closer to that of Clarkson's then Middleton's, lol. It's crazy how the Jazz had all these terrible players/pieces but were so much better than the Lakers, Quinn Snyder COY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, CWood21 said: This. Add on the fact that Herro is making just over $4M next year while Clarkson is making just over $12.4M and that Herro is 6 years younger, it's not even close who is more valuable. 9 ppg on 30% FG in the playoffs and already missed 1/3 of his first two seasons due to injury with a frame that doesn't look like it will hold up at all. Definitely the center piece of a Dame trade, especially with a 2025 1st round pick, how could the Blazers say no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 What about two guys that averaged 10 ppg on terrible efficiency in the playoffs and the 25th pick in the 2025 and 2027 drafts? @CWood21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Ben would be awesome in Utah but can the Jazz get it done with a Conley S&T plus Ingles/picks and would Klutch approve a trade there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 52 minutes ago, NYRaider said: What about two guys that averaged 10 ppg on terrible efficiency in the playoffs and the 25th pick in the 2025 and 2027 drafts? @CWood21 Yes...let's use an infinitely small sample size to come to come to a conclusion. I mean, that 4 game sample size means more than the 55 games sample size where he shot 44% for 15 PPG. As a sophomore. But hey, Jordan Clarkson shot 42.5% from the field, and he's the beacon of efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Who said that Clarkson was more valuable as a trade asset than Herro? I said that his career trajectory is likely to be much closer to that of Clarkson's then Middleton's, lol. It's crazy how the Jazz had all these terrible players/pieces but were so much better than the Lakers, Quinn Snyder COY. Ironically, Herro shot better than Clarkson did last year. Herro is also a slightly better rebounder and a slightly better passer than Clarkson. The only thing Clarkson does better then Herro is he tries to score more. I'd probably say Herro is a better defender, because I think he gives better effort. Herro is already Clarkson if not already surpassed him. But the fact is that Clarkson is 6 years older and significantly more expensive than Herro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Ironically, Herro shot better than Clarkson did last year. Herro is also a slightly better rebounder and a slightly better passer than Clarkson. The only thing Clarkson does better then Herro is he tries to score more. I'd probably say Herro is a better defender, because I think he gives better effort. Herro is already Clarkson if not already surpassed him. But the fact is that Clarkson is 6 years older and significantly more expensive than Herro. Then why didn't he win 6th MOY over Clarkson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, DirtyDez said: Ben would be awesome in Utah but can the Jazz get it done with a Conley S&T plus Ingles/picks and would Klutch approve a trade there? I'm assuming they'd prefer Bojan over Ingles so the only way I could see a deal potentially working would be something like... Jazz receive: Ben Simmons ($33M), Danny Green (S&T, 2 yr/$28M) - Total of $47M coming back 76ers receive: Bojan Bogdanovic ($18M), Derrick Favors ($10M), Mike Conley (S&T, 2 yr/$38M) - Total of $47M coming back Not sure I'd really want Simmons though, he'd give us another elite defender but we'd be playing two non-shooters at almost all times. Assuming our lineup would be: Mitchell - Green - O'Neale - Simmons - Gobert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 hours ago, DirtyDez said: Ben would be awesome in Utah but can the Jazz get it done with a Conley S&T plus Ingles/picks and would Klutch approve a trade there? Realistically the only trade I could see us making would be trading Favors + future draft capital to a team like OKC so we could have our full MLE. That would be my preference, especially it being future draft capital so that we can keep #30. My ideal off-season would be that trade then the following: • Split our MLE and use it to sign Nic Batum and Otto Porter Jr • Sign Kris Dunn to a vet minimum contract • Resign Mike Conley • Draft Ayo Dosunmu #30 PG - Mike Conley | Kris Dunn SG - Donovan Mitchell | Jordan Clarkson | Ayo Dosunmu SF - Bojan Bogdanovic | Joe Ingles PF - Royce O'Neale | Nic Batum | Otto Porter Jr C - Rudy Gobert | Udoka Azubuike Ingles and Conley need to be on load management next season so Porter, Dunn, and Dosunmu would all see minutes throughout the regular season. And we'd be much more versatile, especially defensively, as guys like Batum and Porter could play 3-5 for stints depending on the matchup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Funny enough I did a Dame for Bojan, Ingles, O'Neale and all of those picks and it actually increased Portland's projected win total by 4 and decreased ours by 4, but yeah, not happening. @CWood21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 My mind has been running wild with potential trades/ways to improve the roster. But this is my last one for a while, lol. @Ataal Trades Jazz receive: Jerami Grant Pistons receive: Joe Ingles, Royce O'Neale, Elijah Hughes, #30, 2023 1st round pick The Pistons are in full rebuild mode and would get one of the best role players in the league in O'Neale, a versatile verteran swing man on an expiring deal, Azubukie who was a 1st round pick last year, another pick this year, and a future pick swap. I think this deal could work for the Pistons because O'Neale can definitely be a rotational guy for them and Ingles with his deal, especially at his price tag, could easily be moved to a contending team looking for more shooting at the deadline or to a team looking to clear cap before free agency. Hughes is a young wing with some scoring upside. Thunder receive: Derrick Favors, Miye Oni, 2024 1st rounder (protected or swap) Jazz receive: Future 2nd round pick Oni is a young wing with some upside and Favors could be a decent center/locker room guy for them. The most valuable piece they'd get would be the draft capital. Signings/Draft Picks • Sign Nic Batum using half of our MLE • Sign Otto Porter Jr using half of our MLE • Sign Kris Dunn to a minimum contract • Buy a pick in the early 2nd round to draft Ayo Donsumnu Roster/Depth Chart PG - Mike Conley | Kris Dunn SG - Donovan Mitchell | Jordan Clarkson | Ayo Donsumnu SF - Bojan Bogdanovic | Otto Porter Jr PF - Jerami Grant | Nic Batum C - Rudy Gobert | Udoka Azubukie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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