beekay414 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Just now, CWood21 said: You'd have to under the Apron if you wanted to receive a player via S&T. Yes, the luxury tax apron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Just now, beekay414 said: What does that have to do with what teams trading S&Ts can take back? In terms of what they can take back. It doesn't affect trade value unless they're receiving raises greater than 20%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: In terms of what they can take back. It doesn't affect trade value unless they're receiving raises greater than 20%. If you are trading someone in a S&T, you can only take back half of what they signed for unless you have cap space to absorb the entire deal. So, if Conley signed for $18m, the Jazz can only take back $9m since they are over the cap. Or has that changed recently? Edited June 29, 2021 by beekay414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, beekay414 said: If you are trading someone in a S&T, you can only take back half of what they signed for unless you have cap space to absorb the entire deal. So, if Conley signed for $18m, the Jazz can only take back $9m since they are over the cap. Or has that changed recently? Not seeing it. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92 It falls under the "BYC" provision though. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Not seeing it. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92 It falls under the "BYC" provision though. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93 Okay, yeah, this was more IRT the Bucks Bogdan deal last year due to his raise. The BYC no longer exists but the principles behind it still do. Guess it wouldn't really have an impact on veterans being dealt then since they've all made more money than they're likely to get now. Gotcha. I was confused like "what the hell do yearly raises matter in a one year trade" when the issue was "the new contract is 20% more annually than their prior deal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Just now, beekay414 said: Okay, yeah, this was more IRT the Bucks Bogdan deal last year due to his raise. The BYC no longer exists but the principles behind it still do. Guess it wouldn't really have an impact on veterans being dealt then since they've all made more money than they're likely to get now. Gotcha. I was confused like "what the hell do yearly raises matter in a one year trade" when the issue was "the new contract is 20% more annually than their prior deal." Yeah...it makes it difficult to S&T players like Schroder since you're limited to how much you can pay him in Y1 because they didn't get a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 So, it impacts trying to S&T for guys like Lonzo, Markannen, Collins, Allen, Hart, Graham. Current RFAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: Yeah...it makes it difficult to S&T players like Schroder since you're limited to how much you can pay him in Y1 because they didn't get a ton. Yeah, the Warriors couldn't S&T Oubre for like $19m or more due to the 20% raise in the contract from his $15m AAV unless they only took back $9.5m in return or re-routed $10m elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Well, Schroder made $16m this year so the Lakers could feasibly S&T him for $19m and take back a full $19m in the deal due to that just being under a 20% raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indifference Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/29/2021 at 3:26 PM, beekay414 said: Well, Schroder made $16m this year so the Lakers could feasibly S&T him for $19m and take back a full $19m in the deal due to that just being under a 20% raise. Needs to happen, for Brogdan. They can pick whoever they want to include in a deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Jazz need to dump Favors contract and S&T Conley to Boston for Marcus Smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 7 hours ago, indifference said: Needs to happen, for Brogdan. They can pick whoever they want to include in a deal If Brogdon was a better defender, I'd be all over it. As is, I'm just kinda meh to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) Memphis receives: Collin Sexton Cleveland receives: Grayson Allen, Xavier Tillman, #17, 2024 Golden State 1st, 2025 1st round pick swap Edited July 2, 2021 by seminoles1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 If true that’s not a bad offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 hour ago, seminoles1 said: Memphis receives: Collin Sexton Cleveland receives: Grayson Allen, Xavier Tillman, #17, 2024 Golden State 1st, 2025 1st round pick swap Really don't want to see Tillman on the Cavs. I like Memphis in that I can root for JJJ and Tillman, and I like Morant. Seems like a lot to give up for a guy who is going to need a big contract soon and I am not sure he is worth that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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