TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 6 hours ago, Packerraymond said: For the 1000000 time, it's not the hit, everything was textbook, it's driving him into the ground that you could certainly make a claim Barr does. He's not traveling the same course as Rodgers, he could've wrapped up and rolled over the top of him easily from the angle he came from, but he held on and drove him into the ground. That's 480 pounds landing on one shoulder, thats a broken collarbone, shoulder dislocation or AC joint sprain at an extemely high percentage of occurences. Unfortunately it's part of the game, but the NFL wants to protect QBs from it because they need talent there to make their product watchable, that's why the rule exists to help protect them from it. I think it's always going to be really subjective based on the official regarding that. Some quarterbacks wait right until the last second to release the ball and they are popped. Usually it isn't a an issue, because there is no way in that short amount of time a defender can stop going full speed when they are preparing to hit a QB. Rodgers released the ball a little early in my opinion and that play could have easily resulted in a flag, but this time the official decided to let it go. I don't think if Rodgers got hurt there would be any talk about that hit being a not being a flag though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 3 hours ago, incognito_man said: That is one of 3 options to make it a legal play, yes, absolutely. This happens literally every Sunday. So do the other two options available to him. He could have easily avoided contact altogether or he could have just hit/shoved him without taking him to the ground. He chose otherwise and should have been flagged. Happens every week, too. Unfortunately for us Barr did what every defensive player is going to do in that situation ---> take a shot at the QB within the rules so he doesn't get flagged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, DocHambone said: yall arguing about the legality of a hit while the story line is being burried. Aarons gonna come back in December and lead an improbable super bowl run. Rodgers isn't coming back this season. He's going to have surgery probably later this week. He will not be able to move that arm for 4 to 6 weeks and then he'll have to have PT to get the strength back in that arm. That could take another 6 weeks before he even entertains the notion of throwing a football again. And frankly it would be stupid to rush him back anyway. I hope they let him heal up and return in 2018 raring to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Looks it's just a classic defensive player wanting to hit the QB to intimidate and let him know his presence and unfortunately it led to injury. Nothing more, nothing less. Unnecessary? Sure. But a majority of hits on the QB after he releases the ball are unnecessary. Heck they even have a stat "QB hits". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 7 hours ago, ///mcompact said: Not about to hear any Packers fan talk about "dirty hits to QBs" when Clay Matthews has been getting away with it for years.. Matthews should be banned from the game and forced to cut his stupid hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss_vike Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/16/2017 at 4:47 AM, DingoLadd said: In what world has Rodgers been wasted? The packers have made the playoffs every single season since their superbowl win.....You can't ask for more than that. 25 Years of HOF play - 2 SB. That's wasting talent of HOF QB players. And they are first tier HOF QB's - amont the top 2-3 of their era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Not sure how any of those GIFs are relevant to this... literally none of those are remotely similar to the Barr hit. Do you really want us to bring up a completely irrelevant to the discussion, dirty play by Clay Matthews from 4 years ago? What's the purpose? And I don't think you're gonna find many Packers fans that will argue that Clay isn't a dirty player. I think he is anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 10 hours ago, strat1080 said: Unfortunately we already saw it in 2013 when the Packers went 2-5-1 in Rodgers absence during the 8 games he missed with the same exact injury. Yet the Patriots can lose Tom Brady and still win 75% of their games. Clearly some great coaching over there in New England. Come on man... 2008 Matt Cassel does not compare to the circus of Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien, and Seneca Wallace. Don't be dense. The Patiots still also failed to make the playoffs that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, packerrfan74 said: Not sure how any of those GIFs are relevant to this... literally none of those are remotely similar to the Barr hit. how is Clay's hit on Palmer (perfectly legal and not dirty or unnecessary) not remotely similar to the Barr/Rodgers hit? they're close to identical - qb leaves the pocket...defender runs at him with multiple steps...defender hits qb immediately after ball is released...defender and qb go to the ground together from result of collision...qb is not thrown to the ground... the point i am making by exhibiting that play has nothing to do with Clay's dirtiness on other plays, it asks why weren't the two Packer fans so championing the cause of protecting nfl qb's not championing it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, vike daddy said: how is Clay's hit on Palmer (perfectly legal and not dirty or unnecessary) not remotely similar to the Barr/Rodgers hit? they're close to identical - qb leaves the pocket...defender runs at him with multiple steps...defender hits qb immediately after ball is released...defender and qb go to the ground together from result of collision...qb is not thrown to the ground... the point i am making by exhibiting that play has nothing to do with Clay's dirtiness on other plays, it asks why weren't the two Packer fans so championing the cause of protecting nfl qb's not championing it then? You talking about the one against the Rams on Keenum? Maybe I am missing it, but I'm not seeing Palmer in any of the gifs. If you are, they are quite different in that Clay just popped him and didn't wrap him up and use his body to drive him into the ground. I don't think there is any arguing that Barr was completely within the rules to throw a hit on Rodgers there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 hours ago, vike daddy said: here's an example of another legal hit. the defensive player didn't wrap the qb up as well as Barr did, but it's very similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YltTq146F70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Everson Griffen: “We pray for Aaron Rodgers’ speedy recovery. He is one of the best quarterbacks in the game. I pray for him. I love playing against him. He is a competitor. I wish him the best.” https://scout.com/nfl/vikings/Article/Minnesota-Vikings-may-now-be-the-odds-on-favorite-to-win-the-NFC-109017085 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, vike daddy said: They really aren't different at all with the exception of Clay not wrapping up. Palmer throwing on the run to the left as a right handed QB just works to the advantage of protecting his arm in this scenario since after the throw his momentum carried his shoulder away from the mass of the impact. Like I said, sucks it happened and it wasnt necessary by Barr, but I'm not complaining. That's a hit you cannot make illegal in the league.. they're soft enough on QBs as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Pugger said: Rodgers isn't coming back this season. He's going to have surgery probably later this week. He will not be able to move that arm for 4 to 6 weeks and then he'll have to have PT to get the strength back in that arm. That could take another 6 weeks before he even entertains the notion of throwing a football again. And frankly it would be stupid to rush him back anyway. I hope they let him heal up and return in 2018 raring to go. did Green Bay sign a 3rd QB or y'all just rolling with Hundley and Callahan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 hours ago, PapaShogun said: Your statement: The sport is popular because of elite quarterbacks. It's wise to give them protection because of the said elite quarterbacks and the resulting popularity of their existence. This is why hitting them in a specific manner is illegal. The rules don't say anything regarding elite quarterbacks or their importance to the sport because their role on the field is popular. My point is based on what you said and how I understood it, that logic for why they should be protected was ridiculous. Please re-read what I actually wrote. Protecting ALL QBs is what the league has decided is what is in its best interest. That is what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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