vike daddy Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Look at the last image, there's no reason not to have released the QB by that point.... Barr did EXACTLY what the rules required him to do - he wrapped up the player with his arms. the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Look at the last image, there's no reason not to have released the QB by that point unless you want to finish the play by using your body weight to crush him. That last leg will come off the ground and then that's all Rodgers weight and Barr's on one shoulder, you think putting the arm down caused thw injury? Give me a break. What in the heck? Watch the video. http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21032486 Watch at the 16 second mark. Barr never launched himself or drove Rodgers into the ground it was a standard tackle. Furthermore, how the heck do you "release" a tackle when your halfway through it? You quoted the completely wrong rule. VD posted the correct one I pointed you to. Not sure what you are getting at. VD is arguing that the hit was clean. Kevin Seifert very meticulously explained why it wasn't illegal. Again Quote The hit that injured Packers QB Aaron Rodgers did not overtly violate NFL rules. Rodgers was throwing while on the run, outside of the pocket. According to league rules, that eliminates some of the protection quarterbacks receive when they are in the pocket. The "one-step rule" no longer applies. Defenders still can't "stuff" the passer into the ground, but it would be a judgment call to suggest that's what Vikings LB Anthony Barr did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, vike daddy said: Barr did EXACTLY what the rules required him to do - he wrapped up the player with his arms. the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms. You can't wrap up a QB and drive him to the ground. I don't know what you're missing. Obviously the NFL wants players to wrap up, they dont want players using their body weight to crush other players. That kind of wrap up and drive into the ground has well over 50% injury rate. The Bucs just lost Jameis to the same hit. That's a massive amount of force for your body to handle, and most times it cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, ILoveTheVikings said: What in the heck? Watch the video. http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21032486 Watch at the 16 second mark. Barr never launched himself or drove Rodgers into the ground it was a standard tackle. Furthermore, how the heck do you "release" a tackle when your halfway through it? Not sure what you are getting at. VD is arguing that the hit was clean. Kevin Seifert very meticulously explained why it wasn't illegal. Again Im arguing the last sentence in Seiferts statement is exaxtly what Barr did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: You can't wrap up a QB and drive him to the ground. I don't know what you're missing. Obviously the NFL wants players to wrap up, they dont want players using their body weight to crush other players. if yiu watch the video of the play just provided you'll see Barr pull himself away from Rodgers right before they hit the ground, twisting away from him. he didn't drive him to the ground in a straight line, following him, as you claim. it's ok, you know better than every analyst, ex player and coach, who has been in these situations 10,000 times who has looked this over and said the hit was clean and legal. everyone else is wrong, you and incog are right. we;re just repeating ourselves here. i've stated my view with pics to document it, i don't need to keep doing it. Terry Bradshaw, a veteran qb who broke both collarbones during his career, attributes Rodgers' bone break to him sticking his arm out to break his fall. but again, you know better. peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Im arguing the last sentence in Seiferts statement is exaxtly what Barr did. Watch this video That would be driving people into the ground. Barr was a standard tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Im arguing the last sentence in Seiferts statement is exaxtly what Barr did. yep, there's some very selective quoting and highlighting of that rule going on. The whole point is the drive into the ground with his full weight. That's the illegal part. And it's exactly what Barr did and the only reason AR got injured. It doesn't get any clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, vike daddy said: it's ok, you know better than every analyst, ex player and coach, who has been in these situations 10,000 times who has looked this over and said the hit was clean and legal. that's a lot of citations needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLF54927 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Barr definitely intended to land on him with his full weight IMO. The sideline replay clearly shows this. At least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 You guys are reading that too literally. You tackle people to the ground in this sport. Sometimes you You very often land on people. The rule doesn't just say "land on top of someone with your weight." It says "unnecessarily" and "violently." That means there has to be something more than a routine making a play and landing on someone, which is what Barr did, in my mind. In any case, Rodgers left the pocket. You lose some of the protections when you do that. Quote If a passer outside the pocket stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he is covered by all of the special protections. Rodgers did no such thing. He was on the run and did his signature flick-of-the-wrist pass. It's a football play and it's part of the risk of holding onto the ball forever as a quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phire said: You guys are reading that too literally. You tackle people to the ground in this sport. Sometimes you You very often land on people. The rule doesn't just say "land on top of someone with your weight." It says "unnecessarily" and "violently." That means there has to be something more than a routine making a play and landing on someone, which is what Barr did, in my mind. In any case, Rodgers left the pocket. You lose some of the protections when you do that. Rodgers did no such thing. He was on the run and did his signature flick-of-the-wrist pass. It's a football play and it's part of the risk of holding onto the ball forever as a quarterback. he doesn't lose the protection of the applicable rule, however. and the reading of it literally is intentional. There's a reason that wording was chosen specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak1 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, jrry32 said: Listen, losing Rodgers is rough, but the Packers will rally around Brett Hundley and play good football. I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, DLF54927 said: Barr definitely intended to land on him with his full weight IMO. The sideline replay clearly shows this. At least to me. yep. he clearly did. he actually pushes off his right leg as he is falling away to ensure he lands on Rodgers. You're right that the sideline angle shows it most clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Championshiporbust Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Sad. The Packers since 2010-11 has been downhill, despite the NFC North titles, and the NFC Championship appearances. Sad. Aaron Rodgers has been wasted under the Packers organization, but his injuries has affected his chances of winning more Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 pretty indefensible from that angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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