Packerraymond Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, incognito_man said: yep. he clearly did. he actually pushes off his right leg as he is falling away to ensure he lands on Rodgers. You're right that the sideline angle shows it most clearly. Yeah he's going to roll right over the top of him, and that last foot push-off clearly changes his angle from landing on the 40, to burying Rodgers with all his weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, Packerraymond said: Yeah he's going to roll right over the top of him, and that last foot push-off clearly changes his angle from landing on the 40, to burying Rodgers with all his weight. Looks like an unnecessary full body weight hit to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles101 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 This is why nfl is unwatchable. Bunch of babies crying about the very letter of the rule not being followed and breaking down the rules sentence by sentence instead of the intent of the rule. Like holy crap are we realling arguing that he pushing on foot while falling foward is a driving someone to the ground. Good lord the fact that the nfl listen to fans is mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, eagles101 said: This is why nfl is unwatchable. Bunch of babies crying about the very letter of the rule not being followed and breaking down the rules sentence by sentence instead of the intent of the rule. Like holy crap are we realling arguing that he pushing on foot while falling foward is a driving someone to the ground. Good lord the fact that the nfl listen to fans is mind boggling. the nfl is unwatchable because it was case keenum vs brett hundley do you like watching good players or bad players more? that's the question the league has in mind when crafting player safety rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I haven't commented in here but do I think that tackle deserved a flag? No. Do I think Barr tried to injure Rodgers? Damn right I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, eagles101 said: This is why nfl is unwatchable. Bunch of babies crying about the very letter of the rule not being followed and breaking down the rules sentence by sentence instead of the intent of the rule. Like holy crap are we realling arguing that he pushing on foot while falling foward is a driving someone to the ground. Good lord the fact that the nfl listen to fans is mind boggling. No Packer fan is upset because they didn't throw a flag there, we lose that game regardless. We're pissed because a play that was largely avoidable has taken us from one of the NFC elites to a team that has a fan base arguing about whether to tank or try and win games. We went from top 4 SB contender in the NFL to another mediocre team in a muddled playoff picture with no hope of a title unless Rodgers makes a late season comeback. The NFL has taken some major injury blows this year, this one was avoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLadd Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 35 minutes ago, Championshiporbust said: Sad. The Packers since 2010-11 has been downhill, despite the NFC North titles, and the NFC Championship appearances. Sad.  Aaron Rodgers has been wasted under the Packers organization, but his injuries has affected his chances of winning more Super Bowls. In what world has Rodgers been wasted? The packers have made the playoffs every single season since their superbowl win.....You can't ask for more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 My first thought was the ball was released so 'late hit'. After watching it several times, I can't call it that now. I think had the player been anyone with a 'history' (my Raider's Irvin) old LB Romonawski, S Harrison, then flag thrown. Barr might be playing intensely but this is an intense game and why it's loved. A-Rod has been known to play out a play longer and Barr could be thinking go full speed because if he fakes the throw and I pull up it's be another 'miracle' play. I can see why both sides of fanbases can see the play as I've personally seen it both ways. Great player and this should speed up contract extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, G said: My first thought was the ball was released so 'late hit'. After watching it several times, I can't call it that now. I think had the player been anyone with a 'history' (my Raider's Irvin) old LB Romonawski, S Harrison, then flag thrown. Barr might be playing intensely but this is an intense game and why it's loved. A-Rod has been known to play out a play longer and Barr could be thinking go full speed because if he fakes the throw and I pull up it's be another 'miracle' play. I can see why both sides of fanbases can see the play as I've personally seen it both ways. Great player and this should speed up contract extension. really wasn't a late hit at all, it was illegal because he intentionally drove him into the ground and landed on him with his full weight (which resulted in the injury). He chose to do that. Had he not, it would have been still a solid hit, but AR would be leading a 5-1 team vs New Orleans next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Barr lost his credibility when he headbutted Adams after Hundley's INT for no reason. I still don't feel it was a bad hit, but he clearly had no issue being reckless out there today and surely could've held up and not hit Aaron. Not surprisingly he got a concussion on some hit later in the game, probably from a similar circumstance being overly aggressive. "I know Anthony Barr personally," said Hundley, a fellow UCLA alum. "I wouldn't imagine he's a dirty player. I didn't really get a good look at it." http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/10/15/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-could-miss-rest-season-with-broken-collarbone.html  but hey, what's Hundley's opinion here worth? i mean he only knows Barr personally and played with him on the same team and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, vike daddy said: "I know Anthony Barr personally," said Hundley, a fellow UCLA alum. "I wouldn't imagine he's a dirty player. I didn't really get a good look at it." http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/10/15/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-could-miss-rest-season-with-broken-collarbone.html  but hey, what's Hundley's opinion here worth? i mean he only knows Barr personally and played with him on the same team and all. Where did I say Barr was a bad person or dirty player? I said the way he drove Rodgers into the ground was unnecessary. He then followed it up by head butting a guy who many thought could be paralyzed or dead immediately after the hit he took 2 weeks ago. He was clearly jacked up for the rivalry game, and was playing pretty recklessly when it comes to the safety of our guys. Barr isn't a dirty player, but he did some unnecessary things today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Rodgers got tackled. He got injured. It happens. There's nothing there resembling anything remotely close to a malicious, dirty, or intent to injure type of play. Suck it up Packer fans. Life goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just watched the gif a good 10 times and I can't spot anything malicious about the hit. I don't see Barr driving off of his right foot to slam Rodgers into the ground, I see his body's angle/momentum change as he hits Rodgers and his right foot comes around and he simply plants his foot like any normal person would. With the illegal driving to the ground hits, you usually see the tackler squeeze around the midsection of the QB, and try to lift their lower body up while driving the upper body/head towards the ground, I don't see that here. Extremely unfortunate result to a normal hit IYAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pats#1 said: Just watched the gif a good 10 times and I can't spot anything malicious about the hit. I don't see Barr driving off of his right foot to slam Rodgers into the ground, I see his body's angle/momentum change as he hits Rodgers and his right foot comes around and he simply plants his foot like any normal person would. With the illegal driving to the ground hits, you usually see the tackler squeeze around the midsection of the QB, and try to lift their lower body up while driving the upper body/head towards the ground, I don't see that here. Extremely unfortunate result to a normal hit IYAM Not how physics works. Rodgers is traveling at a 90 degree angle to the sideline, Barr is lets say about 45 degrees. He has more mass and more velocity, the only way he ends up landing directly on Rodgers is if he changes his momentum to land as such. This play does happen all the time, the defender ends up sliding over the top of the QB and landing at what was about the 40 yardline in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 yep. He CLEARLY intends to land fully on Rodgers on the ground, keeps his head tucked in under Rodgers' chin. He plants and changes directions (his head moves further upfield, that only happens with intent). It's natural for defenders to try to hurt the QB and do this. I don't think it's dirty. But it's illegal for exactly this reason. The QB is very vulnerable after a pass and have their arms extended not tucked like a ball-carrier does. This is exactly why the 'can't drive into ground with body-weight' rule exists, to try and prevent these injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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