Spankin New Turtle 🐢 Mock Draft Magic hittin ya in the face

[turtle28]

Trade! Washington trades up to #7!

RD 1: Justin Fields (gives up 19, 51 & 2022 1st)

Rd3: Amo-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC

RD3: Patrick Jones, DE, Pitt

RD4: Hunter Long, TE, Boston College 

RD5: Pete Werner, ILB, Ohio State

RD7: Stevie Scott, RB, Indiana 

RD7: Kary Vincent, Jr., CB, LSU
 

[taylor made]

I have no problem with moving up for Fields if he is there and no issue with giving up a future first rounder +

I would rather spend money in FA than draft a WR. It's a risky position to draft in general. We've certainly had a fair share of a busts the past decade.

I think drafting an EDGE is an underrated move. We are going to lose Kerrigan with little in terms of replacing him. They could learn a lot behind Chase and Montez. There is a lot of EDGE depth in the class around the 3rd round. I haven't watched any Patrick Jones but he sounds intriguing.  Jayson Oweh, Dayo Odeyinbo are also names I want to check out.

I think we need to address O-Line somewhere in the draft but it might be hard if you trade up.

Edited February 17, 2021 by taylor made

[turtle28]

17 minutes ago, taylor made said:

I have no problem with moving up for Fields if he is there and no issue with giving up a future first rounder +

I would rather spend money in FA than draft a WR. It's a risky position to draft in general. We've certainly had a fair share of a busts the past decade.

I think drafting an EDGE is an underrated move. We are going to lose Kerrigan with little in terms of replacing him. They could learn a lot behind Chase and Montez. There is a lot of EDGE depth in the class around the 3rd round. I haven't watched any Patrick Jones but he sounds intriguing.  Jayson Oweh, Dayo Odeyinbo are also names I want to check out.

I think we need to address O-Line somewhere in the draft but it might be hard if you trade up.

We keep hitting home runs in the 3rd round, we also need multiple WRs IMO. I like Cam Sims but, he is more of a #4 than #2. I’d still sign a FA WR then I’d draft one in round 3 or 4 to be our slot WR unless we sign 2 WRs an outside guy to be our #2 & someone like Crowder also to be the slot, then I wouldn’t take a WR in the mid rounds if at all.

I keep getting stuck on the OL. For me, it’s either take one early who could start at LT or LG or don’t take one at all. We have decent depth along the OL. I know people don’t like to hear it, but our OL depth could be a lot worse. If our starters are once again:

LT: Lucas, Christian 

LG: Schweitzer, Charles 

C : Roullier, Ismael

RG: Scherff, Martin

RT: Moses, Sharpe

Sure we could get better reserves at RG & RT but it’s not a bigger need than finding two better options at WR besides Terry starting, WRs (#2 & a lot) a back up TE, a back up/3rd pass rusher & at least one new starting LB or at the least better depth & we might need corners if we lose both Darby & Moreau.

Edited February 18, 2021 by turtle28

[MikeT14]

That seems like a solid mock. If that works for Fields, so be it. 

I am thinking that Lawrence, Wilson and Fields go Top 4 now by trades. 

[naptownskinsfan]

27 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

That seems like a solid mock. If that works for Fields, so be it. 

I am thinking that Lawrence, Wilson and Fields go Top 4 now by trades. 

I think the Bengals try trading up to secure Sewell, but even if they do that, those three could still go in the top 4.  

I’m not crazy about trading up for Fields, but that isn’t a bad deal all things considered.  I’d still rather get Mac Jones at 19 though.  

[Skinsin2013]

I would not be okay with this... not at all.

[e16bball]

I’d be down for this outcome.

It all hinges on Fields, of course, but I think that’s a decent bet for QB. I love his physical talent (who wouldn’t?) and I’ve heard enough good things about him as a person, leader, and learner that I’d be comfortable taking that chance on him. I saw his on-field processing described as “methodical” the other day, and I think that’s probably a good word for it. He’s not as natural or instinctive as a guy like Wilson, for example, and I think it will take a special kind of coaching to have him thinking fast but also thinking freely. But if you can accomplish that, you’re going to unlock a ton of upside. 

One question I’d have is if Fields is available for that price, is there any way we can get Lance for less? To me, the difference between the two is somewhat negligible. I think you’ll be wise to sit both of them for the first year, and they both have the huge ceiling. If I could get Lance for meaningfully less, I might wait on it. It is tricky, though, because you’ve got the DAL/NYG/SF combo at 10-12 — two teams who likely won’t trade with you, followed by a team that is a major threat for a QB. Which always ends up leading me back to DEN at 9, which wouldn’t be much cheaper than getting up to (say) DET at 7 for Fields. 

I like the rest of the draft. Amon-Ra and Patrick Jones are two guys I love on film. I agree that you’d want to address WR in FA — if you could go to the second-tier of FA for Corey Davis and then circle back for Amon-Ra in the 3rd, that’s great value and would give you a very well-rounded, flexible WR group all of a sudden. Jones struggled at the Senior Bowl, which may cause him to drop, but he never struggled at Pitt, so I’d be comfortable adding him behind our two star DEs. Might look to FA for a cheap veteran backup there as well. 

I would also love landing Pete Werner in the 5th. Can’t imagine he makes it that far — I’d actually happily take him a round or even a round and a half earlier than that. Hunter Long is not my huckleberry, but he had a nice season for BC. The 7th round is all about flyers, not a bad place to take the big back we’re looking for. Would have thought perhaps the 5th, but you can’t pass on Werner there for a RB. 

[e16bball]

One other thought that’s occurring to me as I think about the move up for Fields: if we’re going to give up two 1sts and a 2nd for Fields, why not just bite the bullet and go all-in for Watson?

For an additional 2023 1st and Sweat, I would think we could move from a kid in Fields who is a big question mark to a real live bona fide top 6-8 QB in Watson. Plus a ton of money, so I guess you have to factor that in too. But the certainty of Watson would be appealing if you’re talking about already trading a fortune in picks for the blind hope of Fields. 

[Ghostnote]

5 minutes ago, e16bball said:

One other thought that’s occurring to me as I think about the move up for Fields: if we’re going to give up two 1sts and a 2nd for Fields, why not just bite the bullet and go all-in for Watson?

For an additional 2023 1st and Sweat, I would think we could move from a kid in Fields who is a big question mark to a real live bona fide top 6-8 QB in Watson. Plus a ton of money, so I guess you have to factor that in too. But the certainty of Watson would be appealing if you’re talking about already trading a fortune in picks for the blind hope of Fields. 

I would not be in favor of a ransom trade for Watson. Might be in the minority, but I look at his contract and wow. 

APY is ~$39M. 

Base salary is favorable in 2021 at $10M but in 2022 it jumps to $35M. (My feeling is that his contract could be renegotiated based on the trade, but this is presumptive at the moment)

He had $117M Guaranteed which I believe the Texans would be on the hook for, and if traded they would have a dead cap hit of 65M, which I think can be hit over 2 years? 

But that still leaves the remaining amount on his contract to WFT which shows base salaries of $35M in 2022, and $20M in 2023. 

Because of that dead cap hit of $65M, I just can't believe the Texans would cripple their cap like that. Maybe if it were Bill O'Brien, but not this new guy. Its not a good start for a GM to destroy their cap situation like that. 

[Slappy Mc]

I'm not a fan of any 1st round QB not named Trevor Lawrence. 

Outside if that, I'm never a fan of no offensive lineman drafted. 

I'd have stayed at 19 and gone Darrisaw if available. 

Edited February 18, 2021 by Slappy Mc

[MikeT14]

2 hours ago, Skinsin2013 said:

I would not be okay with this... not at all.

What parts?

[Skinsin2013]

44 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

What parts?

The trade up to get Fields.

[offbyone]

Fields is going to be very hard to trade up for now because you likely have to trade up to the 5th position or higher.  The eagles might take fields now or could trade down themselves and they won't do it with us.

[turtle28]

8 hours ago, Skinsin2013 said:

The trade up to get Fields.

Can’t build your team scared to take chances. We’ve been mediocre since 2013 in large part bc Dan & Brice were scared to take chances on FAs or in trading up to get a guy they loved in the draft.

[ripsean21]

I like Fields a lot!!! I maybe change a name or two in the mock as if prefer Paris Ford because I’d anticipate us getting a WR in FA especially in this scenario. But I like Fields. I really really do think he Lance ot Mond are the best options for us going forward. Maybe not next years results but I think going forward those are the 3 best players for this team. They handle the pressure the best and they are mobile but all 3 have shown growth in their game and I know people say how with Lance but this guy clearly from game one to his last game showed more patience inside the passing game. But I like the mock Turtle!!!