taylor made Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) MOCK OFFSEASON PRE FREE AGENCY Free Agency - You can find projected free agent contracts at https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/ Resign RG Brandon Scherff - 12.7 mill/annually 5 years It is time to pay Scherff. If Roullier is worth 10 mill a year, then Scherff is worth it Resign CB Ronald Darby - 9.2 mill /annually 4 years I think Darby will want at least what Kendall Fuller is making. The CB market is thin and if we can’t resign Darby, I’d look to steal Chidobe Awuzie from the Cowboys Resign LB Kevin Pierre Louis 1 year - I thought KPL played decent for us last year. I’m not sure why everyone is so down on him. I like him better than Landon Collins playing WLB. Sign WR Corey Davis 9.8 mill / annually 4 years I think the team has to make a move in this loaded WR free agent market. Allen Robinson is projected to make 20 mill per year, Will Fuller 17 mill per year and JuJu at 16 mill. If we want to resign the above in house free agents and not kill our cap in the future I think you have to find someone cheaper. It comes down to Corey Davis vs Curtis Samuel for me. Corey is still young and has upside in my opinion. Samuel has the youth and is familiar with the system but is it really wise to give 12.5 mill per year to what is essentially a slot WR? I wouldn’t be against it but right now Corey Davis is my 1a to Curtis Samuel 1b. Resign TE Sprinkle Min. CB Fabian Moreau Min. Cut QB Alex Smith NFL DRAFT Before I make the selections I’d like to highlight two players I’d trade up for who I think could fall in the draft. QB - Trey Lance - Obviously this team needs a Franchise QB and I would have no issues giving up a future first rounder for Trey plus pick 19. I think the Division 1-AA competition talk is nonsense and scared thinking. I believe at the very least his running ability will translate to the NFL. MLB - Micah Parsons - I think if Micah starts to fall to the pick 14-15 range, I’d make a move. I would give up one of our third rounders to move up for Micah. Micah in front of this defense line would make it all that much better. Round 1 - Pick 19 - LB Zaven Collins, Tulsa I think if the team stays at pick 19 then the choice is between JOK or Zaven Collins. Even if the team misses out on Micah Parsons, I think adding an impact linebacker could take this defense to another level. I like to make my mocks as realistic as possible and while I do have JOK rated slightly above Zavens Collins, I am seeing that JOK is being picked before our turn at 19 in many of the mocks drafts. Zaven Collins is a swiss army knife type linebacker and he has great size which I think benefits him playing in the NFC East. Zaven would most likely play SLB his rookie year but there are some teams that believe he could make the switch to MLB. I think he also can add the occasional pass rush presence on third down so I don’t think he is just a two down linebacker. Zaven is just the type of football player and team player that Ron will LOVE. Seriously, watch his interviews/press conferences. Right now this is my current Round 1 Big Board (This will change after Pro Day Measurements and athletic testing, but for the most part is close to final): Trevor Lawrence Trey Lance Micah Parsons JOK Zach Wilson Justin Fields Zaven Collins Patrick Surtain Najee Harris Penei Sewell Gregory Rousseau Christian Darrisaw Caleb Fairley Kyle Pitts JaMarr Chase Round 2 - Pick 51 - OL Dillon Radunz, North Dakota St. Cornelius Lucas filled in and played very well for us but you have to draft for the future and right now both of our starting tackles are turning 30 this year. Geron Christian is entering the last year of his contract and has his play really warranted a future contract? I think the coaching staff has already decided Saahdiq Charles is better suited for the guard position. I’d have no issues if Cornelius Lucas is the day 1 starting LT for our team this year but he has never started 16 games in his career and I’d feel better about our depth if we go in with Lucas as our swing tackle again or Radunz backing him up next season. Radunz fits our ZBS very well and was a standout at the Senior Bowl. Radunz could possibly play LG as well. There will be some good value at O-Line in the second round here with potential names like OG Wyatt Davis, OL Trey Smith & OL Alex Leatherwood potentially. Round 3 - Picks 74 - IOL Josh Myers, Ohio St. I’m a big believer in drafting Offensive Line early and often and I do believe this team has gone away from drafting them early as they should. While Josh Myers plays Center for Ohio St., I do believe he could translate to the guard position and be a starter down the road in year one. The Wes Martin experiment has been a colossal failure and to walk into the season with him and Saahdiq Charles as your interior IOL depth is asking for trouble. Round 3 - Pick 82 - EDGE Dayo Odeyingbo, Vanderbilt I think we might see Ryan Kerrigan in another uniform next year and we’re gonna have to replace his production somehow. The draft has a lot of EDGE depth around here with guys like Carlos Basham, Jr., Ronnie Perkins, Joe Tryon potentially still left on the board. Dayo is a H/W/S prospect who could be a rotational pass rusher and learn a lot from Chase Young and Montez Sweat. Round 4 - Pick 114 - WR Amari Rodgers, Clemson The depth on this year’s slot WR class is insane. I think Rodgers stands out over the rest because of his bulk at 210 pounds. Round 5 - Pick 146 QB Davis Mills, Stanford We lost out on the QB lottery this go around, so I’d keep drafting a QB until we find one.If there is anything I don't want to do this off-season is trade for Sam Rosen, I mean Sam Darnold. Round 7 - Pick 209 TE Nick Eubanks, Michigan Round 7 - Pick 211 RB Rakeem Boyd, Arkansas ROUGH & POTENTIAL DEPTH CHART - I’m sure I’ll miss some things on here, this doesn’t even add up to 53 OFFENSE QB: Taylor Heinicke/Kyle Allen/Davis Mills RB: Antonio Gibson/JD McKissic/Peyton Barber/possible FA or rook LT: Dillon Radunz/Geron Christian LG: Josh Myers/Saadhiq Charles OC: Chase Roullier/Ismael RG: Brandon Scherff/Wes Schweitzer RT: Morgan Moses/Cornelius Lucas WR: Terry McLaurin/Corey Davis/Steven Sims, Jr./Cam Sims/Kelvin Harmon or AGG/Amari Rodgers TE: Logan Thomas/Jeremy Sprinkle/Nick Eubanks DEFENSE: DE: Montez Sweat/Dayo Odeyingbo DT: Jonathan Allen/Matt Ionaidas DT: Da’Ron Payne/Tim Settle DE: Chase Young/ Casey Toohill WLB: Kevin Pierre Louis/Khaleke Hudson MLB: Jonathan Bostic/Cole Holcomb SLB: Zaven Collins/Whoever FS: Jeremy Reaves/Gerald Everette SS: Kamrel Curl/Landon Collins CB: Ronald Darby, Kendall Fuller, Jimmy Moreland, Fabian Moreau, Danny Johnson, Greg Stroman Edited February 20, 2021 by taylor made 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 hours ago, taylor made said: Resign RG Brandon Scherff - 12.7 mill/annually 5 years It is time to pay Scherff. If Roullier is worth 10 mill a year, then Scherff is worth it You say it is time to pay Scherff and then under pay him. Myers is an interesting pick. Good player, but we just signed Roullier. I don't think I draft him that high to move him to guard. I like Odeyingbo too but I don't think we spend high draft picks on edge players considering who we got. Agree with you on samuel. Davis + AMari really rounds out the WR room. I don't get the sense Sprinkle fit in to well this year and doubt they resign him. I think FS is a big gap still. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) I don’t understand why we’d cut Alex Smith to replace him with a 5th round rookie, that’s the opposite of what Rivera did last year. Rivera went with those who were ready rather than Haskins after the first month of last season. As I say all the time, we have developing QBs in Heinicke & Kyle Allen if he’s brought back. If Kyle Allen is back then IMO that wipes out the thought of taking a mid round QB to develop bc you’re already developing Heinicke & Kyle. I don’t think Alex is cut unless we add a true upgrade over Alex via a trade or FA; Heinicke, Kyle Allen & a mid to late round pick aren’t definite upgrades over Alex. I think Rivera & Mayhew will ask Alex to take a pay cut to stay if we don’t sign a FA or trade for a starting quality QB and I think he will bc he’ll have the chance to compete for the starting job here. I think we should trade Tim Settle to a team that needs a starting DT/3-4 NT and get back a 4th or 5th round pick where we could draft a LB or TE to develop. I can live with what you’ve done here though I wouldn’t be jumping up and down about taking Radnuz in round 2. I Iove the Zaven Collins pick, he’s a day 1 starter at SLB, move Holcomb to MLB. I can live with what you did overall but I don’t love the idea of taking a LT in round 2. I think there will be better prospects available for us and guys who could start day 1 and I don’t think Radnuz is a day one starter. Lucas can start at LT, we have Christian backing him up, so unless we take a LT round 1, I’m not sure we take an OT at all in the draft. I love the Meyers pick, we need more depth at guard behind Wes Schweitzer, Scherf & Scherff and Meyers is also a center, his versatility will pay off big time for us. Dayo & Rogers are awesome picks. I love the 7th round picks. I don’t get the QB pick, especially if Kyle Allen is re-signed, I’d think we’ll add a veteran or keep Alex. Love, love, LOVE signing Corey Davis!! I love re-signing Scherff - even though you lowballed him as offbyone said. Love re-signing Darby, not sure if Moreau will be back if we re-sign Darby bc he may get a chance to at worst be another teams #3 but, I’d love to have him back. I love re-signed KPL for competition at OLB. I would add Malik Hooker as a FA FS we should sign, like Darby last offseason it’s a low risk but could be a high reward w/ Hooker. He’s got Ed Reed type instincts & range, just has had some unfortunate injuries. You left James Smith Williams off your roster, he’ll be the LDE back up, Dayo would be RDE. Here’s how my roster would look in this scenario w/o signing a FA QB : QB: Alex Smith, Heinicke, Kyle Allen RB: Gibson, McKissic, Barber, Boyd (7th rnd rookie) LT: Lucas, Christian LG: Charles, Scherweitzer C : Roullier, Ismael RG: Scherff, Myers (3rd round rookie) RT: Moses, Sharpe WR1: McLaurin, Cam Sims WR2: Davis, Harmon (AGG to practice sq) Slot: Rogers (4th rnd rookie), Steve Smith Jr. TE: Logan Thomas, Pat Freiermuth (2nd rnd), Eubanks (7th rnd rookie) Defense: RDE: Chase, Dayo (3rd rnd DE) DT: Jon Allen, Brantley NT: Payne, Ioannidis LDE: Sweat, James Smith Williams WLB: Landon Collins, KPL, Hudson MLB: Holcomb, Browning (4th rnd pick from Settle trade) SLB: Zaven Collins, JHC CB1: Fuller, Moreau CB2: Darby, Stroman Slot: Moreland, Danny Johnson SS: Curl, Everrett FS: Hooker, Reaves Edited February 21, 2021 by turtle28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganF89 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 hours ago, turtle28 said: I don’t understand why we’d cut Alex Smith to replace him with a 5th round rookie, that’s the opposite of what Rivera did last year. Rivera went with those who were ready rather than Haskins after the first month of last season. As I say all the time, we have developing QBs in Heinicke & Kyle Allen if he’s brought back. If Kyle Allen is back then IMO that wipes out the thought of taking a mid round QB to develop bc you’re already developing Heinicke & Kyle. I don’t think Alex is cut unless we add a true upgrade over Alex via a trade or FA; Heinicke, Kyle Allen & a mid to late round pick aren’t definite upgrades over Alex. I think Rivera & Mayhew will ask Alex to take a pay cut to stay if we don’t sign a FA or trade for a starting quality QB and I think he will bc he’ll have the chance to compete for the starting job here. I think we should trade Tim Settle to a team that needs a starting DT/3-4 NT and get back a 4th or 5th round pick where we could draft a LB or TE to develop. I can live with what you’ve done here though I wouldn’t be jumping up and down about taking Radnuz in round 2. I Iove the Zaven Collins pick, he’s a day 1 starter at SLB, move Holcomb to MLB. I can live with what you did overall but I don’t love the idea of taking a LT in round 2. I think there will be better prospects available for us and guys who could start day 1 and I don’t think Radnuz is a day one starter. Lucas can start at LT, we have Christian backing him up, so unless we take a LT round 1, I’m not sure we take an OT at all in the draft. I love the Meyers pick, we need more depth at guard behind Wes Schweitzer, Scherf & Scherff and Meyers is also a center, his versatility will pay off big time for us. Dayo & Rogers are awesome picks. I love the 7th round picks. I don’t get the QB pick, especially if Kyle Allen is re-signed, I’d think we’ll add a veteran or keep Alex. Love, love, LOVE signing Corey Davis!! I love re-signing Scherff - even though you lowballed him as offbyone said. Love re-signing Darby, not sure if Moreau will be back if we re-sign Darby bc he may get a chance to at worst be another teams #3 but, I’d love to have him back. I love re-signed KPL for competition at OLB. I would add Malik Hooker as a FA FS we should sign, like Darby last offseason it’s a low risk but could be a high reward w/ Hooker. He’s got Ed Reed type instincts & range, just has had some unfortunate injuries. You left James Smith Williams off your roster, he’ll be the LDE back up, Dayo would be RDE. Here’s how my roster would look in this scenario w/o signing a FA QB : QB: Alex Smith, Heinicke, Kyle Allen RB: Gibson, McKissic, Barber, Boyd (7th rnd rookie) LT: Lucas, Christian LG: Charles, Scherweitzer C : Roullier, Ismael RG: Scherff, Myers (3rd round rookie) RT: Moses, Sharpe WR1: McLaurin, Cam Sims WR2: Davis, Harmon (AGG to practice sq) Slot: Rogers (4th rnd rookie), Steve Smith Jr. TE: Logan Thomas, Pat Freiermuth (2nd rnd), Eubanks (7th rnd rookie) Defense: RDE: Chase, Dayo (3rd rnd DE) DT: Jon Allen, Brantley NT: Payne, Ioannidis LDE: Sweat, James Smith Williams WLB: Landon Collins, KPL, Hudson MLB: Holcomb, Browning (4th rnd pick from Settle trade) SLB: Zaven Collins, JHC CB1: Fuller, Moreau CB2: Darby, Stroman Slot: Moreland, Danny Johnson SS: Curl, Everrett FS: Hooker, Reaves Even though settle isn’t a starter I wouldn’t trade him for that, only way I trade settle is if it helps us get a long term answer at QB. i would honestly look to trade John Allen before I trade settle. You would get more for Allen and not have to pay Settle nearly as much on an extension. Settle can PLAY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, LoganF89 said: Even though settle isn’t a starter I wouldn’t trade him for that, only way I trade settle is if it helps us get a long term answer at QB. i would honestly look to trade John Allen before I trade settle. You would get more for Allen and not have to pay Settle nearly as much on an extension. Settle can PLAY!! So trade the starter and not the back up? Sure... 🤦♂️ Settle plays in spurts when he’s fresh. He’s not been a full time starter in the NFL. We don’t know if he can hold up for 40-50 plays a game and play at an even average level. It’s easier to draft another Settle than to try to find another Allen. I think we’d be better off trading Payne next offseason too after he’s gotten the 5th year extension. That should next us back at least a 2nd round pick. Then, we can draft a DT in round 1 or 2 to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganF89 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 hours ago, turtle28 said: So trade the starter and not the back up? Sure... 🤦♂️ Settle plays in spurts when he’s fresh. He’s not been a full time starter in the NFL. We don’t know if he can hold up for 40-50 plays a game and play at an even average level. It’s easier to draft another Settle than to try to find another Allen. I think we’d be better off trading Payne next offseason too after he’s gotten the 5th year extension. That should next us back at least a 2nd round pick. Then, we can draft a DT in round 1 or 2 to replace him. The way I see it is that we won’t be able to keep all 4 starters on that line, and personally of the 4 I think that Allen (outside of vet leadership) offers less than sweat, Payne, and Young. i just really don’t see how we keep all 4 of them and you have to remember that we have Ioannidis as well who could start on most teams in the NFL. rolling with him and Settle to replace Allen to me wouldn’t be a big drop off if any, I rather get something more for the known player who is gonna cost a lot to bring back, that’s my thinking on it I take it you like Allen more than Payne? When it comes to Ioannidis and Settle we could probably resign the both of them for what it would cost to extend Allen, actually probably less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, LoganF89 said: The way I see it is that we won’t be able to keep all 4 starters on that line, and personally of the 4 I think that Allen (outside of vet leadership) offers less than sweat, Payne, and Young. i just really don’t see how we keep all 4 of them and you have to remember that we have Ioannidis as well who could start on most teams in the NFL. rolling with him and Settle to replace Allen to me wouldn’t be a big drop off if any, I rather get something more for the known player who is gonna cost a lot to bring back, that’s my thinking on it I take it you like Allen more than Payne? When it comes to Ioannidis and Settle we could probably resign the both of them for what it would cost to extend Allen, actually probably less How does Allen offer less than Payne? Allen is a better pass rusher & an about equal run defender. Last year Payne had 33 run stops, Allen had 30. They’re about equivalent there. I’m fine with re-signing Settle, but we should extend him now, not wait until he’s a FA. Allen is lucky in one way bc he’s the first of the DL to come up for a new contract. He’s also a leader which Rivera covets in his young players. Allen is definitely one of the type of players you want to build your team around. Let’s not forget that he was drafted in 2017 and That’s when this D first started being built, he was the first piece unless you consider Fuller I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganF89 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, turtle28 said: How does Allen offer less than Payne? Allen is a better pass rusher & an about equal run defender. Last year Payne had 33 run stops, Allen had 30. They’re about equivalent there. I’m fine with re-signing Settle, but we should extend him now, not wait until he’s a FA. Allen is lucky in one way bc he’s the first of the DL to come up for a new contract. He’s also a leader which Rivera covets in his young players. Allen is definitely one of the type of players you want to build your team around. Let’s not forget that he was drafted in 2017 and That’s when this D first started being built, he was the first piece unless you consider Fuller I guess. I see where you are coming from, I mean I like both I just like Payne better that’s all, 3 years younger and always seems to come up with a big play or force a turnover, just seems like more of a force to me. btw I had to do another mock, couldn’t help myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PARROTHEAD Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Looks like a NFCE Champ replay to me. Build around the core guys is how you do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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