Jeezla Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, lark25 said: So many athletic tackles this year, probably drop harder than most years. and end up being a pro bowl RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jeezla said: and end up being a pro bowl RG Might be. Think like Brandon Scherff, he has much more upside inside. Dude has country strength and can maul people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 hours ago, MOSteelers56 said: Maybe he's a bit of a Chase Claypool situation. H/W/S guy completely misused, or having terrible QBs, in college. Chase Claypool situation? Claypool was good as a junior on Notre Dame and freaking awesome as a senior. Sure be blew up as a rookie in the NFL but he was pretty dang accomplished coming out of college. Nico was very good as a JR and poised to be great as a senior but clearly opted out and did not play this year so out of sight out of mind. That workout will get him attention no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scoundrel Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Deablo Kam Bam Jr (More athletic less banger) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ozzy Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Jeezla said: Those numbers for Deablo are super impressive for a dude that large. He absolutely helped his draft stock, especially if he can show range as a safety being 6-3 226. Could be a hell of a coverage linebacker as well. And Herbert those numbers are not surprising, he is a very good back, great times for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) Zach Wilson had a solid pro day but a few were like trick shot throws which are great but yeah Johnny Manziel could do that as well, did it on the Dude Perfect show, who cares. Amazing throws by Wilson in that Pro day but overall in terms of impression not sure he impressed more than Trey Lance. Most knew Wilson could make throws like that already, I did not know Trey Lance could throw the ball that far with that velocity on it. Leg power: Trey Lance Stronger core: Trey Lance Stronger arm physically: Trey Lance Stronger throwing arm: Zach Wilson Quicker Release: Zach Wilson Off platform throws: Zach Wilson Throwing Accuracy: Zach Wilson Overall physique: Trey Lance More physical runner: Trey Lance Ball velocity off the hand: Tie Solid Spiral: Zach Wilson Most improvement since last seen: Trey Lance Zach Wilson is great off platform and everyone loves that now a days. But you could literally win football games arguably with just Trey Lance running the football regardless of throwing, and he can clearly throw and should improve as a passer over time. Wilson is interesting and will go top 3, but honestly if the 49ers got Trey Lance they would not be disappointed. Still Trey is clearly the better physical athlete than Wilson, who is athletic but not nearly as strong in the legs, in his core and just in his throwing base in general. Some will love his ability to throw off platform and create plays with extending plays and getting deep down the field throws. Does matter where he goes though and who is around him. Still can the guy take a hit and stay out there? Could not as a SOPH but clearly as a JR with better talent on the OL, RB and WR position he was great. Take those things away not sure if he could be as successful. He better hope he goes to the 49ers with Shanahan who is a better offensive mind than what the Jets got and they have more talent around him than the Jets as well arguably. Most likely he goes to the Jets though but still would not be an awful idea for them to take Lance and play Darnold next year and let Lance develop and learn that season. He was working the gum which was cool, made him look tough even though he is clearly a pretty boy QB with a baby face. Will be interesting how he could relate to his teammates, my guess is Trey Lance instantly could relate and do so a little more and quicker than Wilson could but who knows based on interviews both have done. Either way Wilson and Lance to me are ahead of Fields easily unless he wows at his pro day, will be interesting how he does. Edited March 27, 2021 by Ozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 7 hours ago, goldfishwars said: Great ball tracker, high iq... I'm thinking bigger bodied slot in an offense that favors option routes and he could be decent. The problem is that role may limit one of his strengths in his tracking and attacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Ozzy said: Leg power: Trey Lance Stronger core: Trey Lance Stronger arm physically: Trey Lance Stronger throwing arm: Zach Wilson Quicker Release: Zach Wilson Off platform throws: Zach Wilson Throwing Accuracy: Zach Wilson Overall physique: Trey Lance More physical runner: Trey Lance Ball velocity off the hand: Tie Solid Spiral: Zach Wilson Most improvement since last seen: Trey Lance So basically, Wilson is better at all the things that are vital to QBing in the NFL. Quote But you could literally win football games arguably with just Trey Lance running the football regardless of throwing, and he can clearly throw and should improve as a passer over time. You're not going to win the games that matter with just Trey Lance running the football. Quote He better hope he goes to the 49ers with Shanahan who is a better offensive mind than what the Jets got and they have more talent around him than the Jets as well arguably. Mike LaFleur is the Jets OC. He's a Kyle Shanahan protégé. They're not a bad spot anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, jrry32 said: So basically, Wilson is better at all the things that are vital to QBing in the NFL. You're not going to win the games that matter with just Trey Lance running the football. Mike LaFleur is the Jets OC. He's a Kyle Shanahan protégé. They're not a bad spot anymore. Maybe Mike will be as successful as his brother but that is a stretch. And really the NFL just needs to catch up and learn how to slow down those offenses which are all pretty damn similar. Very run game central, different kinds of route trees, a lot of bunch receivers close to the line of scrimmage, a lot of play action and use of athletic tight ends. Kyle does it, Matt does it, McVay does it. Once the NFL defensive guys catch up to that system it should not be all that successful outside of the great minds of the group who can do new and different things and variations off it and not sure Mike is one of them. Will see. If Lamar Jackson can win games when the run game he provides opens up everything, Trey Lance could do the same if a team built a system around it. And that is like saying he cannot throw the football which he clearly can. Hell Kyler Murray is another where a major part of his game is running the football and is absolutely key to him being a QB at this point in his career. And I hope Wilson is a more developed passer, he has had 837 passing attempts in his career. Trey Lance had 288 in his one year starting then another 30 in one game this year. Obviously one should be more developed than the other. But pretend Zach Wilson looked physically the same as Trey Lance, and pretend that Trey Lance did not have just as much power and velocity on his throws that Wilson did, and pretend that Trey Lance's footwork and general base in the pocket was not technically more sound than Wilson. PS Jets have had Sam Darnold and getting Zach Wilson well, he is pretty damn similar to Darnold coming out of USC but Darnold was far more accomplished in big game situations and more consistently good against better competition. Wilson can make more wow throws with odd arm angles I guess. But Darnold can make off platform throws, scramble to create offense with his arm making plays. Did not get him anywhere because he had no help around him and a pretty bad OL. They got Dan Feeney on the OL but have more problems than that. OT is still some what a question much less weapons on offense. Not sure Tevin Coleman and Corey Davis will solve it all. Clearly the 49ers have a better system and better players and a better OL with Trent Williams being resigned. If they want to be a defensive team might want a QB who can create more with their legs and move the chains and take hits, Wilson can run but doubt he could hold up doing it. Edited March 27, 2021 by Ozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Maybe Mike will be as successful as his brother but that is a stretch. And really the NFL just needs to catch up and learn how to slow down those offenses which are all pretty damn similar. Very run game central, different kinds of route trees, a lot of bunch receivers close to the line of scrimmage, a lot of play action and use of athletic tight ends. Kyle does it, Matt does it, McVay does it. Once the NFL defensive guys catch up to that system it should not be all that successful outside of the great minds of the group who can do new and different things and variations off it and not sure Mike is one of them. Will see. It's hard to catch up because those guys are all talented offensive minds who adapt. That's why NFL defensive guys haven't been able to catch up to Andy Reid. Quote If Lamar Jackson can win games when the run game he provides opens up everything, Trey Lance could do the same if a team built a system around it. And that is like saying he cannot throw the football which he clearly can. Hell Kyler Murray is another where a major part of his game is running the football and is absolutely key to him being a QB at this point in his career. Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson are better runners and athletes than Lance. He's more similar to Josh Allen and Cam Newton in that regard (but not quite the running talent Cam was, frankly). So yes, his running will have value. But it's not a trait that itself will consistently win. Quote PS Jets have had Sam Darnold and getting Zach Wilson well, he is pretty damn similar to Darnold coming out of USC but Darnold was far more accomplished in big game situations and more consistently good against better competition. No, Darnold and Wilson aren't similar. Darnold was a very different prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, jrry32 said: No, Darnold and Wilson aren't similar. Darnold was a very different prospect. How is Zach Wilson all that different than Darnold? Wilson is probably faster and has a little quicker release especially with off platform off balance throws. But Sam more than once in college and in the NFL can run one direction and throw back across his body and complete a pass well downfield. What makes Wilson that much better? Arm talent maybe. But both scramble to create offense, both are kind of a pretty boy QB type, mind you Sam was far more popular with his teammates and arguably more of a "dude" personality than Zach Wilson is who has a slight stuck up quality about how he carries himself but is more relatable than a Josh Rosen type. Sam showed he could take a hit more than Zach Wilson has shown, especially against top competition. Played Penn State in the Rose Bowl as a RS FR in a big win. Played at #4 Washington at the time, on the road in a big win as a RS FR and Notre Dame in a win that same year. Then as a RS SOPH played #12 Stanford in the Pac-12 title game in a win, beat Texas in double OT and beat #14 Stanford on the road. They are not identical prospects but the reason people liked both is how they can create off script scramble plays. Both carry themselves with a certain confidence and swagger, both can lead a football team and create plays for the offense and instill confidence in their teammates. Granted Zach Wilson has a more talented throwing arm and can make more weird body angle throws but they have far more similarities than differences. Still the 49ers is a way better landing spot than the Jets I feel. Just like with Baker Mayfield, sure the guy is talented but helps just a bit when you have one of the best offensive lines in football, one of the deepest TE groups in football and arguably one of the best RB tandems in football as well not to mention solid receivers and a good improving defense. Pretty sure the Jets are not there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ozzy said: How is Zach Wilson all that different than Darnold? Stronger arm, more athletic, more accurate, less shaky under pressure, less prone to turnovers, and a far quicker, compact, and technically sound release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, Ozzy said: How is Zach Wilson all that different than Darnold? He doesn't have two years of Adam Gase ruining him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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