vikesfan89 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Xenos said: I’m not as worried about them being pressured under this administration like I was with the last. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said: I didn't say that there was no restrictions, but there were times when they ignored them. That article says it's OK because they were mostly vaccinated, so why did they follow restrictions when they were posing for pictures but not other times Probably the same reasons I sometimes wear my mask and sometimes don’t even though I’m fully vaccinated. You can forget or are in the middle of something with your masks off. Except I’m not as likely to get my pictures taken. Edit: it probably helped that they were also outside. Edited July 7, 2021 by Xenos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Lol indeed 🙄 https://news.yahoo.com/should-the-delta-variant-change-the-us-pandemic-playbook-152302542.html Quote The campaign to get vulnerable people vaccinated should be put into overdrive “There’s still a big problem with people not having easy access [to vaccines]. … We should start going door to door.” — Virologist Angela Rasmussen to Scientific American Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 8 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: People have different reasons for vaccine hesitancy, and not all people who haven't gotten a vaccine today say they will never get it. I agree with you that the bulk of the remaining unvaccinated population has staked their identity on being unvaccinated, so there's no point in outreach to the rural, white, poorly educated areas where they tend to live. That said, not everyone who isn't getting the vaccine is doing so for political reasons. There are plenty of other people who are confused over the amount of information, skeptical of big pharma in general, and for some communities potentially scarred from past mistreatment. Outreach there could be much more impactful. And that's not my opinion either: vaccination rates amongst black Americans have been steadily creeping up, and as of late June surpassed the total share of doses going to white Americans. Also, keep in mind that even if we only get a small percentage of people, with probably about 2/3rds of us immune already, the relative change could feel larger. (E.g. At 66% immune, an additional 3% vaccinated would decrease the number of vulnerable people by 10%.) It’s also worth noting that people in rural areas without a car, even if they wanted to with their whole being, often have an extremely hard time getting out to a place that is doing vaccinations. Urban areas are making it really easy for able bodied people to get access to transportation, but for those in rural areas with mobility issues, it’s a struggle that they might not be able to meet. Getting stations set up so that that people only have to walk a block or two, or getting people knocking on doors for people who can’t easily leave their homes, could do a lot of good as well. We do this with the polio vaccines all over the world and it’s a strategy with proven results. Volunteers for The March of Dimes went door to door in the US to discuss the safety of the vaccine and that is widely credited with a significant portion of the success towards the eradication of polio in the US. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Paywalled but you can read it if you have not accessed the site more than 5 times this month: Everything you need to know (and more) about the delta variant from UCSF's Monica Gandhi https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Everything-you-need-to-know-and-more-about-the-16298212.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, pwny said: It’s also worth noting that people in rural areas without a car, even if they wanted to with their whole being, often have an extremely hard time getting out to a place that is doing vaccinations. Urban areas are making it really easy for able bodied people to get access to transportation, but for those in rural areas with mobility issues, it’s a struggle that they might not be able to meet. Getting stations set up so that that people only have to walk a block or two, or getting people knocking on doors for people who can’t easily leave their homes, could do a lot of good as well. We do this with the polio vaccines all over the world and it’s a strategy with proven results. Volunteers for The March of Dimes went door to door in the US to discuss the safety of the vaccine and that is widely credited with a significant portion of the success towards the eradication of polio in the US. The free Uber ride promotion is so brilliantly simple to try and help fix this, but you're 100% right that when the problem is access the key is to offer different options. I'd amend my post from "no point in reaching out" to rural areas to "less efficient gain" or something like that. Not everyone in rural areas who is unvaccinated is that way for political reasons either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Is the polio vaccine as politicized as this though? That's where I feel the disconnect is as I think people are trusting the government less and less as well but the two go hand-in-hand. That has gotten better in the summer of last year after bottoming out in 2011 which was fairly surprising to read TBH. I will be interested to see how it works but, like I said, my expectations are very low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Some free updates: What you need to know about the highly contagious delta variant The variant first identified in India last year is now dominant in the United States. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/07/delta-variant-covid/ What you need to know about the coronavirus variants. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/01/25/covid-variants/?itid=hp-top-table-main&itid=lb_coronavirus-what-you-need-to-read_9 WHO sounds alarm as global deaths top 4 million, delta spreads to 100 countries. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/08/covid-19-global-updates-who-sounds-alarm-global-deaths-top-4-million-delta-spreads-100-countries/ Yes, the delta variant is taking over. But the vaccines still work. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/delta-variant-vaccines-work/2021/07/08/de2c480c-df7e-11eb-ae31-6b7c5c34f0d6_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Is the polio vaccine as politicized as this though? That's where I feel the disconnect is as I think people are trusting the government less and less as well but the two go hand-in-hand. That has gotten better in the summer of last year after bottoming out in 2011 which was fairly surprising to read TBH. I will be interested to see how it works but, like I said, my expectations are very low. I mean it probably doesn’t help that certain politicians have compared going door to door to help people get vaccinated to Nazi Germany. But you do what you can to help the people who do need and want it, but can’t currently due to social economical challenges or are truly vaccine hesitant due to nonpolitical reasons. Edited July 8, 2021 by Xenos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Xenos said: I mean it probably doesn’t help that certain politicians have compared going door to door to help people get vaccinated to Nazi Germany. But you do what you can to help the people who do need and want it, but can’t currently due to social economical challenges or are truly vaccine hesitant due to nonpolitical reasons. Lol well according to some, everything they don't like/agree with is Nazi Germany so this shouldn't come as a surprise. It's probably one of the most overused, inaccurate terms flooding this country right now and is really disrespectful TBH. I agree that you need to help those that want it but I feel that's a very limited number. I would actually welcome data that suggest people want the vaccine but can't get it due to geographical issues or other limitations (ie they don't have means to get there, none are in their area etc). I'm definitely interested in that. In my small town, buses have been willing to go all over the county to take people to free sites for months now but I understand it's anecdotal. Just feel if it can be done here, it can probably be done everywhere but I wouldn't know 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizeGuy Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 So, with new variants comes new symptoms, and Delta is not unique in that regard. As a layman, I have to say- Im a bit relieved to see loss of taste and smell is no longer a common symptom now that the Delta variant has emerged. I knew WAYYY too many nurses who lost those senses for months, and it was freaky because it's tied to a neurological issue. That seemed to be the most common symptom with Alpha (anecdotal evidence), so is this a sign the virus MAY be changing for the better? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/08/coronavirus-these-are-some-of-the-new-top-5-covid-symptoms.html " Symptoms if you're unvaccinated? If you've not yet been vaccinated then the symptoms are more recognizable to the traditional ranking, Zoe said, "however we can still observe some changes from when Covid-19 first appeared over a year ago." Headache Sore throat Runny nose Fever Persistent cough" "Loss of smell comes in at number 9 and shortness of breath comes far down the list at number 30, indicating the symptoms as recorded previously are changing with the evolving variants of the virus," the study found." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Xenos said: I mean it probably doesn’t help that certain politicians have compared going door to door to help people get vaccinated to Nazi Germany. But you do what you can to help the people who do need and want it, but can’t currently due to social economical challenges or are truly vaccine hesitant due to nonpolitical reasons. The default comp in this country since 2010 is comparing every local and federal administration to Nazi Germany circa 1936. It was beyond stupid then and it’s beyond stupid now, and everywhere in between. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Lol well according to some, everything they don't like/agree with is Nazi Germany so this shouldn't come as a surprise. It's probably one of the most overused, inaccurate terms flooding this country right now and is really disrespectful TBH. I agree that you need to help those that want it but I feel that's a very limited number. I would actually welcome data that suggest people want the vaccine but can't get it due to geographical issues or other limitations (ie they don't have means to get there, none are in their area etc). I'm definitely interested in that. In my small town, buses have been willing to go all over the county to take people to free sites for months now but I understand it's anecdotal. Just feel if it can be done here, it can probably be done everywhere but I wouldn't know I would welcome data as well on the matter. The information would also help get us moving on how much we should be donating abroad to help the rest of the world. I say at least 50% of our current vaccine supply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Xenos said: I would welcome data as well on the matter. The information would also help get us moving on how much we should be donating abroad to help the rest of the world. I say at least 50% of our current vaccine supply. Yep. I'm certain other areas of the world would benefit far more than what we'll waste knocking on doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 7/7/2021 at 7:48 AM, WizeGuy said: Finally, I'm optimistic we may see a bit of a rise in vaccination rates once the vaccines are fully FDA approved. I've heard quite a few people say they'd get plucked once the vaccines aren't in emergency mode anymore, but that could all just be talk. I believe possibly as high as a third of adults are inclined to get it. That would be amazing if we can get that high. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/07/08/calls-for-fda-endorse-covid-vaccine-delta-498886 Quote Polling released June 30 by the Kaiser Family Foundation showed that nearly a third of unvaccinated adults — and about half of those who said they’re taking a “wait and see” approach to the vaccine — said they’d be more likely to get it if the FDA fully approved one of the shots. Besides the vaccine hesitant, full approval will also make it easier for institutions like universities and businesses to mandate the vaccine legally. I’m interested to see if that makes a dent also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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