DontTazeMeBro Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Xenos said: Yes, you’re right and I agree completely. It is an incredibly stupid thing for you to say 😂 Mind being specific here? And that emoji isn’t fooling anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said: He literally called it a hoax. Wtf are we doing here guys? Revisionist history? And his successor and successors VP said they didn’t trust the vaccine. What are we doing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Xenos said: And it’s this line of ridiculous thinking that got us to where we are now. If people would just get the vaccine when they had the chance, it wouldn’t be coming to mandates and passports. This isn’t about the government wanting what’s best for us. It’s just common sense at this point. I'm not a huge fan of debating with memes because it usually just ends up becoming two people trying to play "gotcha." That is not my intent here. I just thought this was a good way to illustrate how sometimes things that seem like good common sense, turn out to not be that way as we get more information. According to the CDC, "Human health effects from DDT at low environmental doses are unknown. Following exposure to high doses, human symptoms can include vomiting, tremors or shakiness, and seizures. Laboratory animal studies showed effects on the liver and reproduction. DDT is considered a possible human carcinogen." DDT was once used as a cure for a case of head lice. Edited August 15, 2021 by Uncle Buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnChimpo Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: He literally called it a hoax. Wtf are we doing here guys? Revisionist history? I don’t even particularly like the guy, but he has been vaccinated since then, has he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, DontTazeMeBro said: And his successor and successors VP said they didn’t trust the vaccine. What are we doing? Lemme guess, another bit of Tiktok research? Link please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLO Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 I just read the last 20 or so pages and oh boy 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnChimpo said: I don’t even particularly like the guy, but he has been vaccinated since then, has he not? I never said he wasn’t self serving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: He literally called it a hoax. Wtf are we doing here guys? Revisionist history? And also that has nothing to do with the vaccine. This is slight of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, DontTazeMeBro said: And also that has nothing to do with the vaccine. This is slight of hand. No, it’s not. When you dismiss it as a political stunt and a hoax, people believed and still believe him, which impacts vaccination efforts/rates. Not only is this not slight of hand, it’s smack you in the face obvious. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 17 hours ago, Uncle Buck said: I'm not a huge fan of debating with memes because it usually just ends up becoming two people trying to play "gotcha." That is not my intent here. I just thought this was a good way to illustrate how sometimes things that seem like good common sense, turn out to not be that way as we get more information. According to the CDC, "Human health effects from DDT at low environmental doses are unknown. Following exposure to high doses, human symptoms can include vomiting, tremors or shakiness, and seizures. Laboratory animal studies showed effects on the liver and reproduction. DDT is considered a possible human carcinogen." All those hundreds of hours of research, and you couldn't even bother to look up and see that DDT was actually used prior to research being done on it's impact on humans and the environment, and that DDT is a primary driving factor in why the Environmental Defense Fund, and the EPA exist. The EPA's creation allowed for us to put in strong standards by which pesticides would be tested and regulated, and required to adhere to principles of peer review prior to use. Prior to this, pesticides didn’t need to be studied for their harm on humans or the environment, they just needed to be able to kill pests. So, no. No one questioned "settled science". We developed a process by which we could settle science in a field that wasn't following those standards in a way that was actually necessary. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: It's not "the government" that you are so irrationally afraid of that is "forcing". The reality is that the most educated and knowledge people in the world universally agree that the best thing for humankind is to get everyone vaccinated ASAP. The only reason government has to get involved is because a large number of extremely suggestible Americans are irrationally loyal to one man embracing non-science because it's politically advantageous for him. Literally, we have hundreds of thousands of people dying because undereducated suggestible people are in a positive feedback loop with a rich former politician and it's ruining our country. i actually don't agree that you can boil it down to one man. more or less the entire conservative media apparatus, and a sizable chunk of the party, got behind anti-vax. that's a concerted effort. i also don't agree that you can reduce the entire unvaccinated population to the psychos who believe that stuff, although they are certainly the loudest and most infuriating group, and will be the most difficult to actually convince to get vaccinated. however, the current unvaccinated population is disproportionately low-income, disproportionately uninsured, and disproportionately nonwhite. it's important to make the distinction between the frothing-at-the-mouth conspiracists you see at anti-mask and anti-vaccine rallies or whatever, and normal people who might have a (somewhat justified!) distrust of the healthcare system and the government, or who are uninsured and think the vaccine will cost them money because that's the default way healthcare works in this awful country, or who can't take off work to deal with vaccine side effects. those are all reasons people haven't gotten the shot, and it speaks to a much more systematic failure of our institutions that this is the case. having said that, those people are in this instance incorrect, and the way they are being leveraged in this thread to justify whatever dumb theories people have about the vaccine is stupid. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Lemme guess, another bit of Tiktok research? Link please. Best I can do because surprise surprise, Google buried it. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/07/18/im-not-taking-it-joe-biden-kamala-harris-led-covid-vaccine-skepticism-parade-before-election-1105376/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webmaster Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 This topic has gone way over the line. I'm locking it for the time being. @bucsfan333 can open it back up again if he wants to moderate it. If that happens any political comments, pseudo science BS links, conspiracy theories and other garbage will not be tolerated. For anyone who thinks COVID is a hoax, or the vaccine is some kind of mind control 5G chip used by Bill Gates to track us can just leave the forum. Go back to Facebook. These kinds of crazy conspiracy theories won't be debated or discussed here. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Webmaster said: This topic has gone way over the line. I'm locking it for the time being. @bucsfan333 can open it back up again if he wants to moderate it. Sorry. I haven't had power since Wednesday. This can remain locked for a while. Hopefully I'll have power back tomorrow to sort through the mess and figure out what's been going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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