Covid-19 News/Discussion

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

1 minute ago, MWil23 said:

I'm well aware. That's on them to be blunt. I'm not looking out for anyone else's parental decisions or fall out, and neither should society when something is readily available to everyone FOR FREE. We need to quit feeding this mindset that somehow we look at what happened instead of the series of decisions that got people from where they are now to where they were, and pretend like those longstanding series of decisions doesn't have consequences, because they do. Quit holding everyone else hostage.

Holding you hostage??!!?  Bud. Friend. I live 20 min from you.  There’s literally nothing you can’t do right now.  The world is your oyster.
 

If wearing a mask is “holding you hostage” then I think you may need to invest in a new mask or perhaps reevaluate what hostages may go through. 😂 

1 minute ago, MWil23 said:

I'll be blunt:

I don't care. Get your kid vaccinated and if not, reap the consequences. I'm not wearing a mask or closing myself in for another however arbitrarily long it takes for people who are not going to get vaccinated or their kids vaccinated, nor will I comply in any means outside of whatever my employer dictates once everyone has access to a vaccine, or anything else for that matter.

We offer kids free lunches and a plethora of other supports, so when families don't take them, it's not our responsibility to deliver them, force them on people, or whatever else. This is the exact same IMO.

You do you my man.  I get your frustrating.  Those of us doing what we’re supposed to are being inconvenienced in large part by people who can’t be bothered to do their part.

I guess I just don’t find wearing a mask for a half hour here and there when I’m around a bunch of goobers tedious or taxing. 

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

2 minutes ago, Xenos said:

And please don’t give me that nonsense that I don’t know why he’s doing this. 

Yeah it’s a real mystery 

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

“We’ve got to get back to normal”

or 

[MWil23]

11 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Holding you hostage??!!?  Bud. Friend. I live 20 min from you.  There’s literally nothing you can’t do right now.  The world is your oyster.
 

If wearing a mask is “holding you hostage” then I think you may need to invest in a new mask or perhaps reevaluate what hostages may go through. 😂 

I'm speaking long term once the pediatric vaccine component is readily available. Right now, it's not, so it's a moot point.

11 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

You do you my man.  I get your frustrating.  Those of us doing what we’re supposed to are being inconvenienced in large part by people who can’t be bothered to do their part.

Correct

11 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I guess I just don’t find wearing a mask for a half hour here and there when I’m around a bunch of goobers tedious or taxing. 

I get it, but to be blunt, I do find wearing a mask 8+ hours a day taxing and embarrassing with my facial breakouts and acne, along with my almost 7 year old who is behind academically because her mask is interfering with her ability to wear her glasses and headphones and be legitimately assessed on diagnostic tests due to her glasses fogging up or her sides of her head hurting while having to wear all 3 simultaneously.

I find policing masks with my 187 students 8+ hours a day, not to mention players on busses and road trips, tedious and frustrating.

Watching kid after kid after kid get quarantined, the fallout in my profession with students and staff in the mental illness, anxiety, depression, and other such issues is nothing short of devastating.

It's not JUST masks.

It's that a good portion of these kids will never rebound or recover academically or socially (mine and yours will be fine, because we're both great parents I'd assume). We are going to reap the fallout for 5+ years (at minimum just looking at basic learning standards) in just these areas, not to mention the sociological fallout and repercussions.

I'm really not trying to be  old man yells at cloud here. I get this is serious, I understand that there's only so much that can be done, but once this is readily available for everyone, I'm done even pretending to care or looking out for anyone else, because that's not the way life works or is supposed to work. You can lead a person, but you can't force them to. You can only advocate or problem solve so much until people take personal accountability and own it.

[Xenos]

53 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

We offer kids free lunches and a plethora of other supports, so when families don't take them, it's not our responsibility to deliver them, force them on people, or whatever else. This is the exact same IMO.

Unfortunately, it’s not like this. Their decision to not get vaccinated affects not only themselves but others as well even the vaccinated. The best case in this scenario is by force. Mandates or whatever tools are necessary (i.e. loss of income) until a large enough percentage of the unvaccinated have no choice but to get vaccinated as well.

[Xenos]

1 hour ago, WizeGuy said:

Once enough of the population gains immunity via vaccination or prior infection- this will turn endemic. Unfortunately, we're not there yet because Delta is a douchebag, but we're getting closer. 

I just read an AMA with an immunologist- and he said we'll all likely be infected with COVID at some point. The vaccines will take a lot of steam out of the spread and even more steam out of the severe cases. As we as a population get infected more and more COVID will likely turn into something similar to a cold.

There are theories that many coronaviruses that cause the common cold today started as pandemics. The difference is- it may have taken years upon years (perhaps even generations) for the human population to gain enough immunity to knock it down to the sniffles. Luckily, vaccines should help speed that process up while also saving millions of lives. 

I just want to emphasize that depending on prior infections is a mix bag depending on the variants we’re facing. You get the original strain or Alpha and it does you no good against Delta. Not to mention we still don’t know how long natural immunity lasts.

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

7 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

I get it, but to be blunt, I do find wearing a mask 8+ hours a day taxing and embarrassing with my facial breakouts and acne, along with my almost 7 year old who is behind academically because her mask is interfering with her ability to wear her glasses and headphones and be legitimately assessed on diagnostic tests due to her glasses fogging up or her sides of her head hurting while having to wear all 3 simultaneously.

I don’t mean to imply it’s without any issues, simply that of all the options, it’s the best we have at this time.

7 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

I find policing masks with my 187 students 8+ hours a day, not to mention players on busses and road trips, tedious and frustrating.

Watching kid after kid after kid get quarantined, the fallout in my profession with students and staff in the mental illness, anxiety, depression, and other such issues is nothing short of devastating.

I can’t even imagine the frustration that comes with trying to walk the line with parents and kids.

As far as the rest of the stuff, yeah, it happens.  I mean, I feel bad, but it’s no worse than what people in my profession and many others are dealing with too. It’s tough times and imo pretending things are back to normal just because we want it to be so doesn’t do anything more than make the situation worse.

7 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

It's not JUST masks.

It's that a good portion of these kids will never rebound or recover academically or socially (mine and yours will be fine, because we're both great parents I'd assume). We are going to reap the fallout for 5+ years (at minimum just looking at basic learning standards) in just these areas, not to mention the sociological fallout and repercussions.

And the fall out from sick to dying parents, grandparents, etc? 
 

It’s back to people wanting to pretend that this is over.  Your opinion nor mine mean nothing to a virus.  We either take necessary precautions or continue to deal with the fallout at a much higher rate than necessary.

7 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

I'm really not trying to be  old man yells at cloud here. I get this is serious, I understand that there's only so much that can be done, but once this is readily available for everyone, I'm done even pretending to care or looking out for anyone else, because that's not the way life works or is supposed to work. You can lead a person, but you can't force them to. You can only advocate or problem solve so much until people take personal accountability and own it.

Oooorrrr….. people who are being payed to make decisions to protect the best interest of their community enact laws and regulations to keep people safe by following evidence based guidelines.

Hopefully this time next year all schools will have a vaccine mandate, like they have for decades, and we can move on. 

[BayRaider]

2 hours ago, mission27 said:

Can you show me evidence Covid is higher risk to children than seasonal flu or other common childhood illnesses?  If they were really at substantial risk I think that would be a great argument to keep up some NPIs everywhere while we vaccinate them.  But that doesn’t appear to be the case at all. 

As far as people who can’t take the vaccine, the problem is these people are always going to exist and Covid is never going away. So unless we are going to all wear masks forever, which is not something society in general is supportive of, we need to learn how to live with that level of risk.

Well said, especially on the second part. At some point, people need to get comfortable with the risk. Unfortunately, the virus is indeed never going away, it’s going to stick around like our good buddy influenza. Masks forever is clearly not an option. 

[MWil23]

18 minutes ago, Xenos said:

Unfortunately, it’s not like this. Their decision to not get vaccinated affects not only themselves but others as well even the vaccinated. The best case in this scenario is by force. Mandates or whatever tools are necessary (i.e. loss of income) until a large enough percentage of the unvaccinated have no choice but to get vaccinated as well.

Yeah, again, I don't care how it's done, I'm saying that I'm not going to comply in any capacity outside of my employer once that threshold and timeframe has been decided.

[BobbyPhil1781]

1 hour ago, Xenos said:

He can start by letting schools implement mask mandates, and not threaten to withhold their salaries. 

And please don’t give me that nonsense that I don’t know why he’s doing this. He’s being a moron with his decisions and it’s killing his constituents.

But we're talking about vaccinations.

I agree other measures could be taken but that's not the topic right now. The topic is some dumb**** here said Desantis incorrectly called it a scam, he was corrected, and that is what I was discussing. I don't disagree about the school thing.

[MWil23]

15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I don’t mean to imply it’s without any issues, simply that of all the options, it’s the best we have at this time.

Yeah, I get that.

15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I can’t even imagine the frustration that comes with trying to walk the line with parents and kids.

As far as the rest of the stuff, yeah, it happens.  I mean, I feel bad, but it’s no worse than what people in my profession and many others are dealing with too. It’s tough times and imo pretending things are back to normal just because we want it to be so doesn’t do anything more than make the situation worse.

Who is pretending that things are back to normal?  The entire premise of what I was saying was that there's a pediatric component safe for everyone.

15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

And the fall out from sick to dying parents, grandparents, etc? 

And that's my responsibility how? Not being cold/callous here, but I'm serious. Why is it my responsibility to comply further when I already have/will have? What's the solution and endgame for those who take no personal responsibility or accountability for getting vaccinated? What's the solution then when EVERYONE has had access and that decision? To wear masks forever? To socially distance forever? To limit capacity at events forever?

15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

It’s back to people wanting to pretend that this is over.  Your opinion nor mine mean nothing to a virus.  We either take necessary precautions or continue to deal with the fallout at a much higher rate than necessary.

Again, my entire premise was that the vaccine was readily available for EVERYONE.

15 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Oooorrrr….. people who are being payed to make decisions to protect the best interest of their community enact laws and regulations to keep people safe by following evidence based guidelines.

Hopefully this time next year all schools will have a vaccine mandate, like they have for decades, and we can move on. 

Oooooorrrr...maybe also politicians who ran under the premise of ending this and having universal mandates would sack up and do what's necessary. Executive orders have been used before for freeing slaves, issuing travel bans, disallowing refugees into our country (WWII, the 1970s, and the last 5 or so years), and interning an entire group of 100K+ people based upon their heritage, but you can't use an executive order for masks and vaccinations? That's hilarious. By the time the SC rules on it, all this will be over.

Abuse your authority and then 14 months from now, they rule against you and this is over.

[MWil23]

21 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I mean, I feel bad, but it’s no worse than what people in my profession and many others are dealing with too.

As for this, I totally get it, but there's something to be said about the emotional factor of it impacting kids and young people as opposed to adults. It doesn't make it "less meaningful", but it does bring it home a little bit more, and that's tough to take.

[TVScout]

Back to the science.

Risk of thrombocytopenia and thromboembolism after covid-19 vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 positive testing: self-controlled case series study

Conclusion Increased risks of haematological and vascular events that led to hospital admission or death were observed for short time intervals after first doses of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and BNT162b2 mRNA vaccines. The risks of most of these events were substantially higher and more prolonged after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after vaccination in the same population.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931

[Xenos]

22 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

Oooooorrrr...maybe also politicians who ran under the premise of ending this and having universal mandates would sack up and do what's necessary. Executive orders have been used before for freeing slaves, issuing travel bans, disallowing refugees into our country (WWII, the 1970s, and the last 5 or so years), and interning an entire group of 100K+ people based upon their heritage, but you can't use an executive order for masks and vaccinations? That's hilarious. By the time the SC rules on it, all this will be over.

Abuse your authority and then 14 months from now, they rule against you and this is over.

I’m pretty sure you were the one who previously stated that even if there’s a national mandate for masks and vaccines via executive order that it wouldn’t occur until the Supreme Court made a ruling. Essentially if Biden did go that route, it would be challenged and the order stayed until it got all the way to the highest court. Was I mistaken? 

[BayRaider]

21 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

Yeah, I get that.

Who is pretending that things are back to normal?  The entire premise of what I was saying was that there's a pediatric component safe for everyone.

And that's my responsibility how? Not being cold/callous here, but I'm serious. Why is it my responsibility to comply further when I already have/will have? What's the solution and endgame for those who take no personal responsibility or accountability for getting vaccinated? What's the solution then when EVERYONE has had access and that decision? To wear masks forever? To socially distance forever? To limit capacity at events forever?

Again, my entire premise was that the vaccine was readily available for EVERYONE.

Oooooorrrr...maybe also politicians who ran under the premise of ending this and having universal mandates would sack up and do what's necessary. Executive orders have been used before for freeing slaves, issuing travel bans, disallowing refugees into our country (WWII, the 1970s, and the last 5 or so years), and interning an entire group of 100K+ people based upon their heritage, but you can't use an executive order for masks and vaccinations? That's hilarious. By the time the SC rules on it, all this will be over.

Abuse your authority and then 14 months from now, they rule against you and this is over.

100%. You can’t have conditions in place forever. At some point, society has to be comfortable with the risk. One example is the Tier System in California, which is currently not in place, but I can certainly see coming back if Newsom wins election. Tier system basically limits capacity for places like casinos, bars, and theaters. You can’t do this forever. These small businesses have already suffered enough. At some point we have to go back to being a complete normal society without any “interruption”, that’s why I say people do indeed need to get comfortable with the risk factor of covid, we are not going to have these special rules in effect forever, or even much longer. There is a vaccine, people can take it or not.