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1 minute ago, NateDawg said:

And there it is. 

Practice what you preach. Before this thread gets locked.

Considering that those are two of major hotspots, and both governors are going out of their way to let it happen…..

 

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1 minute ago, Xenos said:

Some bad guys, like Abbot and Desantis, are just more open about killing people. That’s where you call a spade a spade, and push back against that mentality especially when it concerns public health. The idea of just letting things be the way they are and living with it is currently why we’re in the predicament that we’re in. 

Life has to go back to normal at some point. You do realize that, correct? You do realize covid is never going away, correct? You do realize there is a vaccine that people may or may not take, correct? Masks at some point are going away. All measures at some point are going away. Limited capatcity at some point is permanently going away. The point many have made here is society is going to return to complete normal in the near future regardless of Covid. This is why many in here, including me, have said society will eventually have to get comfortable with the risk. You can’t limit schools forever. You can’t limit places like Casinos, Theaters, and Bars forever. They won’t survive, the companies or the workers. You can’t have masks forever, either. 
 

You do seem like you’re into the “good guy” and “bad guy” narrative. One day you will learn there is no such thing as a good politcian. There are simply ones who play theater and ones who do not. 

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1 minute ago, NateDawg said:

I’m not disputing the unvaccinated Americans. I am saying that anytime you have herds of unvaccinated, you have an issue. How is this even controversial. 

Go ahead and make labels though. If it makes you feel better. You are really good at virtue signaling. 

Not as good as you making ignorant statements. But thanks anyways.

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Just now, Xenos said:

Considering that those are two of major hotspots, and both governors are going out of their way to let it happen…..

 

Again, you are being a hypocrite by trying to censor something that you don’t agree with, Telling people to stop talking politics before something gets locked that, then talking politics on the other side. Just stop talking politics. And quit with the digs on the red leaders. It just makes you look ridiculous when you act offended on the other side and keep doing this. 

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1 minute ago, Xenos said:

Not as good as you making ignorant statements. But thanks anyways.

I’m totally fine if people don’t agree with me. I hope the spread of Covid stops. And I wish people would quit playing politics and just come up with solutions. People aren’t going to agree with one another, and that’s OK. But the digs, etc. don’t create any solutions.

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3 minutes ago, NateDawg said:

I’m not disputing the unvaccinated Americans. I am saying that anytime you have herds of unvaccinated, you have an issue. How is this even controversial. 

Go ahead and make labels though. If it makes you feel better. You are really good at virtue signaling. 

provide a single receipt that indicates that pandemic spread is being driven by "unvaccinated floods herding through the border." i want numbers and explicit, statistically significant ties to community spread.

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1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

Life has to go back to normal at some point. You do realize that, correct? You do realize covid is never going away, correct? You do realize there is a vaccine that people may or may not take, correct? Masks at some point are going away. All measures at some point are going away. Limited capatcity at some point is permanently going away. The point many have made here is society is going to return to complete normal in the near future regardless of Covid. This is why many in here, including me, have said society will eventually have to get comfortable with the risk. You can’t limit schools forever. You can’t limit places like Casinos, Theaters, and Bars forever. They won’t survive, the companies or the workers. You can’t have masks forever, either. 
 

You do seem like you’re into the “good guy” and “bad guy” narrative. One day you will learn there is no such thing as a good politcian. There are simply ones who play theater and ones who do not. 

You’re misinformed about a lot of things. I don’t care about “good guys” or “bad guys” in politics. I just want the pandemic to end no matter how it gets done. All measures should go away eventually. But it won’t until enough people get vaccinated, which means that certain need to get done before that can happen. You can no longer let people choose to get the vaccine or not.

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5 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

One day you will learn there is no such thing as a good politcian. There are simply ones who play theater and ones who do not.

I would argue this is an incomplete take.

The concept of being in charge of every facet that goes into modern society is an impossible job to do thoroughly, or even adequately. We promote people to jobs that are first a handful of jobs worth of responsibility and stress at a small scale, then dozens, then hundreds, then god knows how many. We're selecting for people who aren't capable of empathy, because if they were, they'd quit or have a mental breakdown.

We didn't evolve to have the emotional bandwidth to process ordering drone strikes daily or running a company with a hundred thousand employees in a healthy manner.

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Just now, ramssuperbowl99 said:

We're selecting for people who aren't capable of empathy, because if they were, they'd quit or have a mental breakdown.

I actually agree, I’ve always said there is more sociopaths in politics than any profession. Sociopaths are all about power and recognition, and tremendous at lying while seeming genuine. There is many on both sides. 

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3 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

I actually agree, I’ve always said there is more sociopaths in politics than any profession. Sociopaths are all about power and recognition, and tremendous at lying while seeming genuine. There is many on both sides. 

Agreed. And as with most things in life, the more power you have, the more vulnerable you are to pushing it further/susceptibility to corruption. 

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7 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

I actually agree, I’ve always said there is more sociopaths in politics than any profession. Sociopaths are all about power and recognition, and tremendous at lying while seeming genuine. There is many on both sides. 

The point isn't that there are more sociopaths in those jobs, it's that we have important jobs that only sociopaths can do. It's not a chicken or the egg thing.

And for the record, I wasn't just specifying politics specifically or even elected officials. Being a National Security Advisor or the CEO of any Fortune 500 company is an equally insane thing to do.

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I don’t care to discuss the politics of things more than necessary as to avoid this getting locked, so I’ll try to toe a fine line.

I’m not concerned with red or blue as far as covid goes, simply good policy vs bad policy.

That said, the bad policy as it relates to measures to prevent the spread of covid and protect the public is largely coming from….. well, I’ll stop here.

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16 minutes ago, pwny said:

 

So … what changed your opinion on this?

Facebook, Footballs Future, and every other social media platform out there.

That, and probably not processing personal grief and circumstances in a volatile manner. 

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Considering the Full FDA Approval, I’m quite intrigured where our National Fully Vaccination Rate will be at in about 8-9 weeks (takes 8 weeks to be fully vaxxed considering 2 weeks after second shot). 
 

I still respect anyone’s decision to not take the vaccine, regardless of reason (unlike quite a few in this thread) but I also respect employer mandates and hope as many people get vaccinated as possible. The pandemic will never “end” (and people need to understand that, and be comfortable with the risk, as everything will eventually operate as normally as pre-pandemic), but we can curb the effects of it as much as possible if we can get that vaccination rate up, which I’m sure everyone here is in agreement with. 

 

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