Packers re-sign Aaron Jones

[squire12]

5 minutes ago, Jakuvious said:

 

Again, I'm neither saying he can or he can't. Don't know enough about him as a draft prospect to say how he projects one way or another. But you are the one, in the bold, saying he proved he can do it last year. He didn't prove anything, unless you want to also say that Cam Newton proved that he can be an effective pass catcher last year. Or that Mohamed Sanu has proven to be an effective QB. You're saying he's proven he can do something, when he, by any reasonable statistical standard, has not.

You're the one coming across like you didn't watch Dillon last year. I think you believed he caught more passes than he had, and are doubling down after getting called out, instead of admitting the mistake.

Dillon did look comfortable catching in his limited targets in 2020.   Clean catches with his hands on both on target and off target throws.  

Limited opportunities, yes

Demonstrated basic fundamentals,  yes

Is he an elite pass receiving RB, likely not.  Is he a good/average/ serviceable/ liability as a receiving RB....jury still out on that.

[seminoles1]

13 minutes ago, squire12 said:

Dillon did look comfortable catching in his limited targets in 2020.   Clean catches with his hands on both on target and off target throws.  

Limited opportunities, yes

Demonstrated basic fundamentals,  yes

Is he an elite pass receiving RB, likely not.  Is he a good/average/ serviceable/ liability as a receiving RB....jury still out on that.

Dude...he had 3 targets all year. He had 21 career college catches.

[Xenos]

1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

You're literally making my point. Rodgers is in his aging prime. The team is in a position to compete for a superbowl right now and you take a 1st round development qb and backup runningback. Because "the board"? It's idiotic. 

You think Rodgers liked the picks?

I think that Rodgers was more upset about the QB pick.

With regards to the RB pick over a WR, there’s probably numerous reasons for the selection.

1) GB was happy with their current WRs on the team.

2) There was no receiver on the board that was worth taken over Dillon.

3) RB is an easier position to have success and impact in GB than a WR given the requirements of that system and most importantly what Rodgers demand from his receivers.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/why-you-must-believe-in-marquez-valdes

 

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“You can’t just get a guy because he makes some plays,” Valdes-Scantling says. “There are so many things that go into playing in our offense. You’ve got to be able to go out and block for your teammates and give it up. Those are the things people don’t see. There are guys around the league who don’t necessarily do that. That is the unselfish play you’ve got to have to play in that organization. And it comes from everybody. 

“You’ve got to have that unselfish player. Those are hard to find in the NFL. A lot of guys are, like, ‘I want my stats. I want money.’ Obviously, everybody wants those things but you can’t get consumed in that when you’re trying to win football games. If you’re not that unselfish player, you’ll never work in our offense.”  

 

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Aaron Rodgers is notoriously demanding. In his world, it’s pretty simple: You must get on his level intellectually or you could be ignored, phased out, cut, forgotten. 

 

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“We were the No. 1 offense in the entire NFL,” he says. “What more do you want? I don’t care because I know what we’ve got. I know the players we have and what makes the offense work. It’s hard putting guys in — ‘Oh, let’s go out and get this guy and get this guy.’ They don’t know how to operate in this offense, playing in code. They don’t know how to operate playing with Aaron Rodgers. There are two separate playbooks. There’s the one we get written down. And then there’s one that Aaron has. It’s not an easy thing to just come in and play right away. 

“You can’t just have a guy who can make a play. You’ve got to be a different level of intelligence to play in that offense.”

 

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As Valdes-Scantling explains, the Packers typically have two plays called in the huddle. All 11 players step up to the line and if Rodgers believes both plays LaFleur sent in won’t work, he’ll call something else. The QB will change the protection, the play, the routes with an audible and/or a hand signal and… you better as hell know what you’re doing as a receiver in real time.

“You’ve got three seconds,” Valdes-Scantling says. “And the ball’s coming.”

Rodgers has even audibled to pre-LaFleur plays the Packers haven’t run since ‘18. 

[Arthur Penske]

1 hour ago, Jakuvious said:

 

Again, I'm neither saying he can or he can't. Don't know enough about him as a draft prospect to say how he projects one way or another. But you are the one, in the bold, saying he proved he can do it last year. He didn't prove anything, unless you want to also say that Cam Newton proved that he can be an effective pass catcher last year. Or that Mohamed Sanu has proven to be an effective QB. You're saying he's proven he can do something, when he, by any reasonable statistical standard, has not.

You're the one coming across like you didn't watch Dillon last year. I think you believed he caught more passes than he had, and are doubling down after getting called out, instead of admitting the mistake.

 

5 hours ago, Arthur Penske said:

I mean he looked really good last season and Williams is gone. Jones/Dillon may be  the best combo in the league next year. They also ran a fair number of plays with 2 backs on the field towards the end of the season. 
 

@Trentwannabe saying Dillon can’t catch passes shows he didn’t watch GB last season.  He didn’t tear it up since he was o it with covid, but made the best of his limited past catching opportunities and showed he can do it.

Better bold it all then.

1 hour ago, squire12 said:

Dillon did look comfortable catching in his limited targets in 2020.   Clean catches with his hands on both on target and off target throws.  

Limited opportunities, yes

Demonstrated basic fundamentals,  yes

Is he an elite pass receiving RB, likely not.  Is he a good/average/ serviceable/ liability as a receiving RB....jury still out on that.

Basically the obvious point. Obviously the production and opportunities were really limited, but it's obtuse to say someone definitively can't do something, when the only chances he wasn't given to do it he had success. Albeit very limited. 

[Arthur Penske]

1 hour ago, Trentwannabe said:

Most the season? He played in 11 games lol

And you don’t know what cherry picking is do you? Those are literally his stats. That coupled with his 21 college career receptions is more than enough evidence to suggest he is not a receiving back.

He played in 9 regular season games that he got snaps in. With a whopping 95 snaps and 46 touches. The only game he played a big role in was Tennessee. 

AJ Dillon 2020 Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com (pro-football-reference.com)

[MrOaktown_56]

27 minutes ago, Xenos said:

I think that Rodgers was more upset about the QB pick.

With regards to the RB pick over a WR, there’s probably numerous reasons for the selection.

1) GB was happy with their current WRs on the team.

2) There was no receiver on the board that was worth taken over Dillon.

3) RB is an easier position to have success and impact in GB than a WR given the requirements of that system and most importantly what Rodgers demand from his receivers.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/why-you-must-believe-in-marquez-valdes

 

 

 

 

1. Clearly there is a problem there

2. Questionable

3. I'm not buying this coming from a super mid WR like MVS.

[Xenos]

4 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

1. Clearly there is a problem there

2. Questionable

3. I'm not buying this coming from a super mid WR like MVS.

It’s not just MVS. He’s just articulating what has been known for awhile about Rodgers. The only difference is that we know more about what is required in the Lafleur scheme.

[squire12]

10 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

1. Clearly there is a problem there

what is the problem?

GB was a top 10 passing offense in 2020

[MrOaktown_56]

1 minute ago, squire12 said:

what is the problem?

GB was a top 10 passing offense in 2020

Mainly because they have one of the best quarterbacks of all time. Not the overflowing talent of their offense or WR group in particular. I don't even see how this is questionable. You see the best teams around the league, like the Chiefs and Buccaneers loading up their offenses with talent. Hell, even the Bills did it to get Diggs and look how much better their season turned out.  And the packers do what, pass on WR in their entire draft and sign Devin Funchess. Then proceed to take a qb, backup running back, and h-back.

 

[squire12]

6 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Mainly because they have one of the best quarterbacks of all time. Not the overflowing talent of their offense or WR group in particular. I don't even see how this is questionable. You see the best teams around the league, like the Chiefs and Buccaneers loading up their offenses with talent. Hell, even the Bills did it to get Diggs and look how much better their season turned out.  And the packers do what, pass on WR in their entire draft and sign Devin Funchess. Then proceed to take a qb, backup running back, and h-back.

 

And what WR with the 62 or later pick would have produced more than MVS or Lazard?

I agree on the H-back pick.   I can see the QB in the first as taking a chance on a QB in the later part of the 1st is not a bad decision.   People seem to forget that Rodgers in 18 and 19 was not nearly as productive as he was in 20, so getting the QB to prepare for a potential Rodgers decline makes sense from an organizational perspective.

[childofpudding]

"Rodgers has even audibled to pre-LaFleur plays the Packers haven’t run since ‘18."

Not sure how anyone could think that's not a problem

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[Trentwannabe]

33 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said:

He played in 9 regular season games that he got snaps in. With a whopping 95 snaps and 46 touches. The only game he played a big role in was Tennessee. 

AJ Dillon 2020 Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com (pro-football-reference.com)

Thank you for continuing to prove my point.

The Jones deal is good and makes sense. Drafting a one dimensional RB in the second round who couldn’t get on the field unless there were injuries, does not.

[Trentwannabe]

6 minutes ago, squire12 said:

And what WR with the 62 or later pick would have produced more than MVS or Lazard?

Gabrial Davis had similar or better numbers then those two as the Bills WR4. He would have certainly been considered at reach at 62 but I think he would have done quite well in GB.

[MrOaktown_56]

20 minutes ago, squire12 said:

And what WR with the 62 or later pick would have produced more than MVS or Lazard?

I agree on the H-back pick.   I can see the QB in the first as taking a chance on a QB in the later part of the 1st is not a bad decision.   People seem to forget that Rodgers in 18 and 19 was not nearly as productive as he was in 20, so getting the QB to prepare for a potential Rodgers decline makes sense from an organizational perspective.

Possibly several. It's a hypothetical so we'll never truly know. But Gabriel Davis and Bryan Edwards are 2 who come to mind. Edwards was injured most of the season, but played very well with limited snaps and definitely could have thrived with Rodgers. 

They could have traded up 2 or 3 spots and selected Denzel Mims. He looks like he could be a good one. Same goes for Claypool if they really wanted to.

Darnell Mooney is awesome but that's clear hindsight bias.

Point being, there are a million other ways the could have pivoted to not take a backup RB in round 2. And yet they did. It's unfortunate, but puzzling to say the least.

[hoekd0250]

I think Jones might play more of a tyler Ervin role. Catching screens and stretching the defense with Dillon more traditional back.