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[KingOfNewYork]

7 hours ago, Jag68Sid87 said:

Not really sure about this notion that a lot of people here seem to have (not just you, Big T) that we are "loaded at RB." 

Tampa Bay (Fournette, Jones, Vaughn) is loaded at running back. Indianapolis (Taylor, Mack, Hynes) is loaded at running back. Houston (David Johnson, Ingram, Lindsay) is loaded at running back.

We have one solid backup/third-down specialist and three question marks and nothing else.

Houston is not loaded at anything. 

[Bobby816]

1 hour ago, KingOfNewYork said:

Houston is not loaded at anything. 

Distractions

[KingOfNewYork]

2 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

Distractions

Touche 

[Big T]

20 hours ago, Jag68Sid87 said:

Not really sure about this notion that a lot of people here seem to have (not just you, Big T) that we are "loaded at RB." 

Tampa Bay (Fournette, Jones, Vaughn) is loaded at running back. Indianapolis (Taylor, Mack, Hynes) is loaded at running back. Houston (David Johnson, Ingram, Lindsay) is loaded at running back.

We have one solid backup/third-down specialist and three question marks and nothing else.

 

20 hours ago, Jag68Sid87 said:

Not really sure about this notion that a lot of people here seem to have (not just you, Big T) that we are "loaded at RB." 

Tampa Bay (Fournette, Jones, Vaughn) is loaded at running back. Indianapolis (Taylor, Mack, Hynes) is loaded at running back. Houston (David Johnson, Ingram, Lindsay) is loaded at running back.

We have one solid backup/third-down specialist and three question marks and nothing else.

While I agree with you on everything you have said, Perine has to have another year to really see what he can do, under Gase he mismanaged the RB position. Perine was also hurt last year for awhile. Ty Johnson has incredible upside here's a bit of info on him .

 Johnson impressed scouts by running a 40-yard dash time clocked by most scouts as anywhere between 4.3 and 4.4 seconds, with one scout reportedly timing Johnson as fast as 4.26 seconds.

For comparison, the fastest 40-yard dash time ran by any running back at the 2019 NFL Scouting Combine was 4.40 seconds by Justice Hill of the Oklahoma State

Cowboys. At his pro day workout, Johnson was also able to do 27 repetitions of the bench press at 225 pounds, which would have ranked the highest among 2019 Combine running backs,and was recorded jumping a 34-inch vertical.

Now if I'm not mistaken he ran for a few hundred yard games. So I'm not sure Detroit didn't screw up at RB as they always seem to draft some and then get burned when they leave or are cut, case in point. 

Now, I wouldn't be angry if the Jets drafted Harris with the second of their number 1's or the 2nd round pick, but its not a glaring need and a good RB could be had later on.

But your observations are right on. I think the running game will be a supplement to the WCO which Lefleur will implement.

[xrade]

11 minutes ago, Big T said:

Ty Johnson has incredible upside here's a bit of info on him .

To expand on this, Ty has a 4.7 y/a avg. for the Jets in his lone season last year. He had a 4.3 y/a in his rookie season in Detroit. He had 54 carries for 254 yds last year and was has 16 catches on 21 attempts (76%). He only started one game last year against NE where he had 11 carries for 45 yds. The only other game with double digit carries was against LVR. He rushed 22 times for 104 yds, 2/2 receiving with 1 TD. Good running to the outside where his speed and quickness allows him to do well. Not sure about running between the tackles because he did little of that IIRC.  Many believe LaFleur will utilize the outside zone running scheme.  This seems to suit what Ty does best.

Can he be a double digit carries guy?  Who knows, but he has shown, with very limited data, that he should at least be given a chance. All that said, I would still like to see us draft a RB but not until round 3 at the earliest, preferably round 4. If we can get a Gainwell, Sermon, Carter, etc. we may have the beginnings of a decent RB tandem without investing high in the draft considering we have more pressing needs ATM.  This does not mean I think we are “loaded”. All it means is that we have a promising RB supported by game data negating the need this year to spend high in the draft. 

[jetjuice]

On 3/27/2021 at 8:01 PM, KingOfNewYork said:

According to WalterFootball these are confirmed virtual meets:

• Larnel Coleman, Offensive Tackle, Massachusetts (VIR)
• Zaven Collins, Outside Linebacker, Tulsa (VIR)
• Teven Jenkins, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma State (VIR)
• Elijah Molden, Cornerback, Washington (VIR)
• Rondale Moore, Wide Receiver, Purdue (VIR)
• Jaret Patterson, Running Back, Buffalo (VIR)
• Anthony Schwartz, Wide Receiver, Auburn (VIR)
• Ihmir Smith-Marsette, Wide Receiver, Iowa (VIR)
• JaCoby Stevens, Outside Linebacker, LSU (VIR)
• Darius Stills, Defensive Tackle, West Virginia (VIR)
• Tommy Tremble, TE, Notre Dame (VIR)
• Trill Williams, Cornerback, Syracuse (VIR)

 

Big fan of all those guys.

[jetjuice]

On 3/28/2021 at 7:12 AM, Big T said:

Zavin Collins is a favorite of mine I hope he makes it out of the first round the guys all over the field. Jenkins looks to be a late 1st rounder, Patterson a 6th to UDFA type. The Jets are loaded at RB. I have advocated for a TE, so if the Jets don't address it in round 3 then I can see a 4-5th round pick up. 

We are nowhere near loaded at RB.

[Big T]

Jacoby Stevens S/OLB, RB Kene Nwangwu, RB Michael Carter, RB Khalil Herbert, RB javin Hawkins, RB Jaret Patterson, DL Alim McNeill, OT Larnel Coleman, WR Eli Stone.

[JetsandI]

1 minute ago, Big T said:

Jacoby Stevens S/OLB, RB Kene Nwangwu, RB Michael Carter, RB Khalil Herbert, RB javin Hawkins, RB Jaret Patterson, DL Alim McNeill, OT Larnel Coleman, WR Eli Stone.

Stone is full packaged special team.  KR, PR and Gunner.

[KingOfNewYork]

8 minutes ago, Big T said:

Jacoby Stevens S/OLB, RB Kene Nwangwu, RB Michael Carter, RB Khalil Herbert, RB javin Hawkins, RB Jaret Patterson, DL Alim McNeill, OT Larnel Coleman, WR Eli Stone.

Most had assumed so but it definitely looks like we'll got mid round Running Back again barring something unforeseen. 

[JetsandI]

2 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said:

Most had assumed so but it definitely looks like we'll got mid round Running Back again barring something unforeseen. 

Also all of them are short in height. 

[jetsfan4life51]

Jacoby Stevens was a visit? He'd be great converting to OLB in this scheme but also be a guy you move all over the field.

[Big T]

On 4/8/2021 at 3:13 PM, jetsfan4life51 said:

Jacoby Stevens was a visit? He'd be great converting to OLB in this scheme but also be a guy you move all over the field.

Would love to see Stevens on the Jets the guy is a player, same for Alim McNeiil at DT the guy is a beast and could be had in the 3rd or 4th round the latest. Herbert at RB would be a late round steal.

[KodiakThunder]

On 4/6/2021 at 6:05 PM, jetjuice said:

We are nowhere near loaded at RB.

I agree. However,  there is a point to be made that Gase mismanaged the run game to the point of negligence. 

Frank gore getting all those Carrie's really set back JD's ability to judge Johnson and Perine. I'm sure JD was furious after every game seeing Frank Gore outcarry everyone with minimal success.  

Honestly, Gases insistence on using Gore (on a losing team no less) so much, was basically my #1 reason for wanting him gone. I felt it showed he cared more for Gore's legacy then he did about the Jets. 

2020 rushing stats:

Gore: 187 Atts, 3.5 YPC, 2 Rush TDs, 

Johnson: 54 Atts, 4.7 YPC, 1 rush TD

Perine: 64 Atts, 3.6 YPC, 2 yd's

Now our oline wasnt great at blocking, but even with Johnson/Perine missing a few games, the attempts shouldnt be this far apart  

Edited April 10, 2021 by KodiakThunder
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[KingOfNewYork]

3 hours ago, KodiakThunder said:

I agree. However,  there is a point to be made that Gase mismanaged the run game to the point of negligence. 

Frank gore getting all those Carrie's really set back JD's ability to judge Johnson and Perine. I'm sure JD was furious after every game seeing Frank Gore outcarry everyone with minimal success.  

Honestly, Gases insistence on using Gore (on a losing team no less) so much, was basically my #1 reason for wanting him gone. I felt it showed he cared more for Gore's legacy then he did about the Jets. 

2020 rushing stats:

Gore: 187 Atts, 3.5 YPC, 2 Rush TDs, 

Johnson: 54 Atts, 4.7 YPC, 1 rush TD

Perine: 64 Atts, 3.6 YPC, 2 yd's

Now our oline wasnt great at blocking, but even with Johnson/Perine missing a few games, the attempts shouldnt be this far apart  

You forget that a lot times when Johnson and Perine were in we ran because of pass protection issues from the two of them. Gore was our best pass protecting back so to avoid predicable play calling in terms of run/pass you had to mix it up with your primary back(Gore)

Now Gore wasn’t brought in to be the primary, Bell was, but he’s trash now.