Bears sign Andy Dalton

[JAF-N72EX]

4 hours ago, G08 said:

If it was me, I would have brought Mitch back for 2021 and fully committed to the Shanahan/McVay offense. Draft a WR/OT in rounds 1 and 2 and then take my developmental QB in round 3.

But what do I know 🤷‍♂️

Same.  At least Mitch already knows the offense and has some rapport with his receivers.  But as topwop said, he wasn't ever going to come back, so it's moot point.

We would've still needed a QB either way though.

[JAF-N72EX]

Comparisons over the last 3 seasons combined among QBs with a min 500 attempts (41 QBs). Not counting rushes.

Green = Equal or above the league average.
Red = Below the league average

Derek Carr has been significantly better than the others on this list, but there is no way I would give up multiple FRPs for him.

You know it's bad when Dalton is being grouped with the likes of these QBs, and has been statistically worse than all of them except for maybe Darnold and Winston. Below average across the board.

 

[Sugashane]

6 hours ago, G08 said:

It's fascinating that people (myself included) were foaming at the mouth for Derek Carr, and then completely **** on Andy Dalton.

I mean age has to be a factor. Carr was only 28 two years ago (that when I think the trade rumors started?) so he was still relatively young as far as QBs go. Dalton is going to be 34 this season. People are looking for a potential long-term option, which many thought Carr could have been, and no one should believe Dalton is at this point.

As far as franchise QBs, you always hope to hit higher than these two, but Chicago hasn't been able to.

1 hour ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Yes.  Are you Andy Dalton? 

I mean cmon. If you disagree with what I said, fine, feel free to debate it rather than asking some snarky, weird random question.

Dalton is terrible and no team should be counting on him as a starter at this stage in his career.  Backup. Fine. But as a starter? Hell no.  He has been bad for a while now and there is nothing to suggest he's going to get any better, especially behind a terrible play-caller like Nagy.    

Well Mitch, you didn't do a very good job of self promotion when you mentioned how you and Foles made so many of the same poor plays as Dalton. Nagy might have really broke you, maybe see a sport psychologist?

Really though I agree with you. Dalton is in a bad situation and is a mediocre QB. He isn't likely to have a bounce-back year here of all places.

[Heinz D.]

8 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

I mean age has to be a factor. Carr was only 28 two years ago (that when I think the trade rumors started?) so he was still relatively young as far as QBs go. Dalton is going to be 34 this season. People are looking for a potential long-term option, which many thought Carr could have been, and no one should believe Dalton is at this point.

It goes beyond that. To look at a couple of blocks of printed statistics and then declare Dalton and Carr are basically the same quarterback...is goofy. (I'm not accusing you of doing that, I'm just going off of the earlier argument/point.)

Carr is a much better quarterback than Andy Dalton. 

8 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

Really though I agree with you. Dalton is in a bad situation and is a mediocre QB. He isn't likely to have a bounce-back year here of all places.

Well...the Cowboys were a total mess last year. There were injuries everywhere, and McCarthy did a MUCH worse job of coaching that team than I expected he would. (I figured McCarthy would have a "bounce back" year down there, but...no.)

I'm not preaching the gospel of Andy Dalton here, but it's completely in the realm of possibility that Dalton does better in Chicago than Dallas. And for what it's worth, he didn't do that badly in Dallas anyway...

[topwop1]

8 hours ago, RunningVaccs said:

That's the ash in the drink right there, we now have Foles plus possibly the most incremental improvement over Foles, but at 10m more per year.  Foles+Slightly Better Than Foles is not an inpsiring combimnation, especially with your point about how massively disappointing anything would be after buying all those Russel Wilson jerseys. 

Hopefully they can dump Foles and get something back. I'll take a 7th round pick...I don't care ...I just don't think it makes any sense to have both him and Dalton on the team 

[Heinz D.]

32 minutes ago, topwop1 said:

Hopefully they can dump Foles and get something back. I'll take a 7th round pick...I don't care ...I just don't think it makes any sense to have both him and Dalton on the team 

Even though the Eagles are now probably out of the running, I still think they manage to trade Foles.

If they don't, they'll cut him. 

Well...most likely. You never know with Pace, I suppose. 

[Damikeeeee]

3 hours ago, Heinz D. said:

It goes beyond that. To look at a couple of blocks of printed statistics and then declare Dalton and Carr are basically the same quarterback...is goofy. (I'm not accusing you of doing that, I'm just going off of the earlier argument/point.)

Carr is a much better quarterback than Andy Dalton. 

Well...the Cowboys were a total mess last year. There were injuries everywhere, and McCarthy did a MUCH worse job of coaching that team than I expected he would. (I figured McCarthy would have a "bounce back" year down there, but...no.)

I'm not preaching the gospel of Andy Dalton here, but it's completely in the realm of possibility that Dalton does better in Chicago than Dallas. And for what it's worth, he didn't do that badly in Dallas anyway...

Dalton also got royally screwed by the Bengals.  Cut so late that he had to take the only job he could. No time to learn the offense and less time spent with the 1s.  

[G08]

2 hours ago, topwop1 said:

Hopefully they can dump Foles and get something back. I'll take a 7th round pick...I don't care ...I just don't think it makes any sense to have both him and Dalton on the team 

 

1 hour ago, Heinz D. said:

Even though the Eagles are now probably out of the running, I still think they manage to trade Foles.

If they don't, they'll cut him. 

Well...most likely. You never know with Pace, I suppose. 

I dunno... if the plan is to draft the QB of the future and sit him for the season, you likely will need a quality backup in case Dalton goes down.

I could see Foles sticking around and who knows, maybe another team's starter goes down in the pre-season / early in the regular season and he's an asset.

[AZBearsFan]

57 minutes ago, G08 said:

 

I dunno... if the plan is to draft the QB of the future and sit him for the season, you likely will need a quality backup in case Dalton goes down.

I could see Foles sticking around and who knows, maybe another team's starter goes down in the pre-season / early in the regular season and he's an asset.

I think trading Foles is probably a pipe dream. The league seems either to be expecting that we’ll cut him after drafting a guy or that he’s not actually a quality backup at this juncture (he’s sucked pretty bad each of the last 2 seasons when handed the chance to hold a starting job and then gotten hurt as he has now several times in his career) in which case we likely won’t be able to trade him even to a desperate team. Flip roles - if you’re a team who just lost their starter in TC and need a vet guy, are you trading for Foles and $6M or signing any of Alex Smith, RGIII, Gabbert, Hoyer or Mullens (or other guy who may be cut between now and then after their current team drafts a QB) for a vet minimum with incentives? I’d expect a Foles trade would be nowhere near the top of that list. 

My guess is he’s on the team until the last week of the preseason then gets cut barring a serious Dalton injury in the preseason. 

[JAF-N72EX]

8 hours ago, Sugashane said:

I mean age has to be a factor. Carr was only 28 two years ago (that when I think the trade rumors started?) so he was still relatively young as far as QBs go. Dalton is going to be 34 this season. People are looking for a potential long-term option, which many thought Carr could have been, and no one should believe Dalton is at this point.

As far as franchise QBs, you always hope to hit higher than these two, but Chicago hasn't been able to.

Well Mitch, you didn't do a very good job of self promotion when you mentioned how you and Foles made so many of the same poor plays as Dalton. Nagy might have really broke you, maybe see a sport psychologist?

Really though I agree with you. Dalton is in a bad situation and is a mediocre QB. He isn't likely to have a bounce-back year here of all places.

Suga, I'm a mental midget.  The less that is expected of me, the better off I am.  

Plus, I'm all about equality too.  I've accepted the fact that I'm garbage.  I can make bad decisions, throw up prayers, and under throw/overthrow my targets with the worst of 'em, instead of throwing the ball away, and people need to know this. 

See below for reference.

#1

https://i.imgur.com/77bDGjz.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/cHKGIU3.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/ty3tEa6.mp4

#2
https://i.imgur.com/I5vlmK8.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/v9TOpzV.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/TxtGQGx.mp4

 

 

[JAF-N72EX]

8 hours ago, Heinz D. said:

It goes beyond that. To look at a couple of blocks of printed statistics and then declare Dalton and Carr are basically the same quarterback...is goofy. (I'm not accusing you of doing that, I'm just going off of the earlier argument/point.)

Carr is a much better quarterback than Andy Dalton.

Agreed 100%.  Good opportunity to try and break the ice between us.

If anyone has watched Carr and Dalton to any extent than you don't need to look up stats to see a stark difference between them and their play-styles.  They really are that far apart and the eye test shows it.  The stats only further confirm this notion.

I personally don't care what a player did 5-10 years ago.  I only care about a players' trajectory now based on their recent history and right now it doesn't look good for Dalton.  He'll be 34 years old in 6 months and has been on a down spiral for a few years now with no signs of ever regaining a prominent role as a legit starter.

8 hours ago, Heinz D. said:

Well...the Cowboys were a total mess last year. There were injuries everywhere, and McCarthy did a MUCH worse job of coaching that team than I expected he would. (I figured McCarthy would have a "bounce back" year down there, but...no.)

I'm not preaching the gospel of Andy Dalton here, but it's completely in the realm of possibility that Dalton does better in Chicago than Dallas. And for what it's worth, he didn't do that badly in Dallas anyway...

I feel like we're starting to enter Foles (post-signing) territory here by making excuses for his poor play in order to justify why he could be better here in Chicago in the same way some fans were doing with Foles last offseason.  Do you remember last year when we signed Foles and people were using the excuse that he played for the Jags as to why he would be better here? As it turned out, Jags wasn't the problem, it was Foles (mixed with Nagy's "system"), and I feel like the result would be the same with Dalton this year.

Maybe your right though and he does play better, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

Edited April 1, 2021 by JAF-N72EX

[JAF-N72EX]

4 hours ago, Damikeeeee said:

Dalton also got royally screwed by the Bengals.  Cut so late that he had to take the only job he could. No time to learn the offense and less time spent with the 1s.  

The Bengals didn't screw him at all.  Him, his agent, and the org overvalued him.  

IIRC the Bengals and Dalton thought there would be a bigger market for him and were actually trying to do him a solid by giving him a chance to pick which team to go by trading him (by his own request).  The trouble was, no team was interested.  The Bears were the only team that showed any interest and they ultimately decided on Foles which left Dalton dead in the water.  And just like other free agents, the longer they sit on the market the cheaper they become and that's when Jerry Jones saw an opportunity to upgrade the backup position at a cheap rate.

 

[JAF-N72EX]

Foles is all but gone.  The only way Foles is still here for the season is if we don't draft a QB.

Releasing Foles before June would only cost 3.7M with 10M in dead-money.  Cutting him after June would only cost 1M with only 7.7M in dead money.

I say that to say this.  Money aside, I think Pace is also just waiting to see if there is a better backup alternative than Foles and all that starts with the draft.  I think Pace is waiting to see how the draft plays out before making any decisions on what to do with Foles.

 If he CAN move up in early rounds and get a better option at QB than Foles (based on his board) then he takes that QB and releases Foles afterwards.  But if he CAN'T move up to get a QB better than Foles then he opts to go in another direction (OT, WR, etc) and just runs with Dalton and Foles in 2021. Maybe he adds a late development.

[Sugashane]

58 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Suga, I'm a mental midget.  The less that is expected of me, the better off I am.  

Plus, I'm all about equality too.  I've accepted the fact that I'm garbage.  I can make bad decisions, throw up prayers, and under throw/overthrow my targets with the worst of 'em, instead of throwing the ball away, and people need to know this. 

See below for reference.

#1

https://i.imgur.com/77bDGjz.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/cHKGIU3.mp4

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58 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Suga, I'm a mental midget.  The less that is expected of me, the better off I am.  

Plus, I'm all about equality too.  I've accepted the fact that I'm garbage.  I can make bad decisions, throw up prayers, and under throw/overthrow my targets with the worst of 'em, instead of throwing the ball away, and people need to know this. 

See below for reference.

#1

https://i.imgur.com/77bDGjz.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/cHKGIU3.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/ty3tEa6.mp4

#2
https://i.imgur.com/I5vlmK8.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/v9TOpzV.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/TxtGQGx.mp4

 

 

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#2
https://i.imgur.com/I5vlmK8.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/v9TOpzV.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/TxtGQGx.mp4

 

 

Andell Dalbisky? Is that you?

[soulman]

Can Andy Dalton do better than Nick Foles?  I would hope so but there's no assurance that he will.

Can Foles be traded? Not all that likely.  Philly chose Flacco over offering the Bears something for Foles.  Foles has now had two shots at taking over as a starter with two separate teams and failed.  Whatta ya' gonna get for him?

Should we had kept Mitch instead and saved $$$?  Strictly on the basis of stats maybe but it was pretty obvious that Nagy had his fill of him and trying to bend his schemes around what Mitch was able to do well enough to win.  I think for the benefit of all it was time for him to move on.

Will Nagy's offense work better with a pocket passer?  Who the hell knows.  With the exception of some cleverly crafted "circus plays" he's not show he can scheme or play call in a manner that provides consistent results and produces points.

Should be draft a rookie QB?  Hell yes but don't sell the farm trading up to do it.  Pace is obsessed with getting Wilson so save whatever picks may be needed to make that happen and if it doesn't happen before or during the draft get an OT who can replace Leno if it all possible.  He has one more year left here and then he's probably done.

Other than Pace's obsession with Wilson I can't see whatever else he may be thinking but sure as it snows in the mountains if he doesn't swing a trade this year it will be Dalton starting with a rookie as his under study.  Looks like a different year but the same old $hit to me.  The offense looks like the epitome of mediocrity again.