SDotNova Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: Sacks are a terrible way to judge, especially as a predictive tool. Too much randomness. Giants were dead last in PRWR last year. 48% win rate for the Jets. Dang that’s a lot higher than I would have expected. We didn’t get much pressure off the edge. Just really Q up the middle. I know you posted this for the Giants tidbit. The Jets ranking almost had my eye balls pop out the sockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 i refuse the believe the raiders were league average in that stat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Turnobili said: i refuse the believe the raiders were league average in that stat Its because sacks DO matter. No matter what analytic nerds try to tell you with pressures and pass rush win rate blah blah blah. None of that matters if you dont get to the QB. The Raiders were league average in pass rush win rate but were 29th in the NFL in total sacks. So you have a bunch of guys who can get off their man but not make it home. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I'm laughing because I thought the Steelers might have had a chance at Jackson. I didn't expect that coming off two injury-ridden down seasons that he'd get this sort of payday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: Its because sacks DO matter. No matter what analytic nerds try to tell you with pressures and pass rush win rate blah blah blah. None of that matters if you dont get to the QB. The Raiders were league average in pass rush win rate but were 29th in the NFL in total sacks. So you have a bunch of guys who can get off their man but not make it home. Matthew Judon has left the chat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Matthew Judon has left the chat. Olivier Vernon and Jadeveon Clowney have joined the chat. I dont care how many blocks you shed if you dont do anything with it. Edited March 22, 2021 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 wow when I read the rams were interested in him! I figured a special team ace or our slot corner. Lmao. Never would I have imagined he would have ever seen this much money. Gawd dammm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: Olivier Vernon and Jadeveon Clowney have joined the chat. I dont care how many blocks you shed if you dont do anything with it. Clowney sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 When you can't win during the regular season so you overcompensate during free agency and hand out big money to scrubs lmao. Congrats to the Jackson family. Set up for generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinebackerGod Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: Olivier Vernon and Jadeveon Clowney have joined the chat. I dont care how many blocks you shed if you dont do anything with it. Yeah it does lol Getting pressure on the QB results in poor decisions, altered game plans, and turnovers. Getting sacks requires the QB to hold onto the football longer than he should. I’ll take pressures over sacks every day. “Getting home” is obviously nicer because a TFL is damning to an offense, but it also requires the QB to refuse to throw it away or hit his checkdown. Getting sacks is kind of flukey, just like INT’s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: Its because sacks DO matter. No matter what analytic nerds try to tell you with pressures and pass rush win rate blah blah blah. None of that matters if you dont get to the QB. 9 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: I dont care how many blocks you shed if you dont do anything with it. Yes, disruption at the line of scrimmage and pressure has no effect on the QB or offense at large. That's why teams fall all over themselves to pay 100 Mill+ to guys like Aaron Donald and Myles Garrett. Those 15 or 13 plays a Year where they get Sacks are that valuable, nothing else they do matters. Which is why the Panthers getting Hassan Redick for 8 Mill coming off a 12.5 Sack Season is such a historic steal, I mean he's clearly better than Khalil Mack who could only muster 9 Sacks. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, LinebackerGod said: Getting sacks is kind of flukey, just like INT’s. No, it really isn't. The Steelers have led the league in sacks for four consecutive seasons. Most of the double digit sack guys hover in that range. Sacks are no more fluky than TD passes. Pressures matter, but the notion that they are more important or more indicative of quality pass rush than sacks is nonsense. 7 minutes ago, DreamKid said: Those 15 or 13 plays a Year where they get Sacks are that valuable A quality pass rusher is usually getting pressures. Why aren't teams taking guys with consistently high pressure rates and falling over backwards to pay them like Mack? The guys who are always close but no cigar type players don't get paid like the top guys producing sacks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainpd Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Over paying in my opinion but must be refreshing for Giants being a bit more aggressive, I wonder if they trade up in draft for QB now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, CKSteeler said: I'm laughing because I thought the Steelers might have had a chance at Jackson. I didn't expect that coming off two injury-ridden down seasons that he'd get this sort of payday. 2019 was his best season as a pro, despite the injury, and he came back in the playoffs and played at a high level. 2020 definitely a down season, obviously, but anyone who signed him would've been hoping for 2019 adoree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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