Rhetorical: If Packers were offered a first round pick for Jordan Love, should they take it?

[CrazyJoeDavola]

8 hours ago, Blue said:

"No competition" so training camp didn't happen? Every other first round QB from his draft class made starts last year. That obviously wasn't going to happen with Rodgers, but Love wasn't competing against Rodgers--he was competing against Tim Boyle, whom I hope we can all agree is not the same caliber of player as Tyrod Taylor or Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Love had the entire season to learn the playbook. He was drafted primarily on his athleticism and natural talent. If the Packers still didn't think he gave them a better chance to win a game if Rodgers went down than Tim Boyle did in Week 17, and in fact thought so little of his ability that they didn't even activate him for game day, that's a brutal indictment of where his development is at.

No competition as in no competition. They were going with Boyle the entire time. They weren’t having a competition. The roster spots were set when the puck was made. Last year was essentially a redshirt year for Love. Nobody knows for sure if he was better than Boyle by week 17 but in a pinch Boyle gets you out of a game. Then if Rodgers is out fur extended time they could have started Love over Boyle but in an emergency situation with no prep it’s likely viewed as having the more seasoned player available for that situation is better. It’s not really an indictment on Love who was widely considered raw and not ready for 1-2 years anyway. 

[Blue]

33 minutes ago, CrazyJoeDavola said:

No competition as in no competition. They were going with Boyle the entire time. They weren’t having a competition. The roster spots were set when the puck was made. Last year was essentially a redshirt year for Love. Nobody knows for sure if he was better than Boyle by week 17 but in a pinch Boyle gets you out of a game. Then if Rodgers is out fur extended time they could have started Love over Boyle but in an emergency situation with no prep it’s likely viewed as having the more seasoned player available for that situation is better. It’s not really an indictment on Love who was widely considered raw and not ready for 1-2 years anyway. 

Putting aside the absurdity of saying that there would be no competition for a backup spot, you cannot possibly believe that a team in the playoffs wants to do nothing more than "get out of a game" in the playoffs when merely getting out of the game means watching the Super Bowl from the couch.

[Soko]

2 hours ago, Blue said:

Neither did any of the other three first-round picks. And Tua was even dealing with not having thrown since, what, November? due to a serious injury.

Burrow was an uncontested starter as soon as Dalton was cut. Herbert only started because Taylor couldn’t go.

Tua was the only one that outright won a job (somehow), and he was a top 5 pick coming out of the best CFB franchise. And even then, that was a legit QB competition in camp. Tua was getting first team work. I didn’t follow Green Bay’s camp notes, but I’m guessing Love and Tua didn’t see the same amount of workload/reps. 

With that in consideration, you still have GB in SB contention vs Miami (and Cincy/LAC) as teams looking to see what they’ve got in their rookies. It behooves those teams to get their QBOTF reps, even if it didn’t immediately put them into contention. Green Bay didn’t have that need right away, what they wanted from their backup is someone who can step in and run the offense to finish a game or two. Spot start duty. It’s apples and oranges. 

Also sort of important to say...they were all flat out better prospects than Love, by a mile. You’re quick to use Love’s draft stock to say he wasn’t worth the pick, but aren’t willing to acknowledge that he was on a different level than the three QBs you’re trying to compare him against. 

[Blue]

2 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said:

Burrow was an uncontested starter as soon as Dalton was cut. Herbert only started because Taylor couldn’t go.

Tua was the only one that outright won a job (somehow), and he was a top 5 pick coming out of the best CFB franchise. And even then, that was a legit QB competition in camp. Tua was getting first team work. I didn’t follow Green Bay’s camp notes, but I’m guessing Love and Tua didn’t see the same amount of workload/reps. 

With that in consideration, you still have GB in SB contention vs Miami (and Cincy/LAC) as teams looking to see what they’ve got in their rookies. It behooves those teams to get their QBOTF reps, even if it didn’t immediately put them into contention. Green Bay didn’t have that need right away, what they wanted from their backup is someone who can step in and run the offense to finish a game or two. Spot start duty. It’s apples and oranges. 

Also sort of important to say...they were all flat out better prospects than Love, by a mile. You’re quick to use Love’s draft stock to say he wasn’t worth the pick, but aren’t willing to acknowledge that he was on a different level than the three QBs you’re trying to compare him against. 

Yes, they were. Which makes the claim that a rookie quarterback couldn't be ready to play in the COVID-shortened offseason look utterly absurd.

Green Bay was beating Tennessee and Chicago. Didn't see them putting Tim Boyle in there to see what they had. Made zero attempt to get Love on the roster just in case they would have an opportunity to get him live reps. Even Kansas City made sure they saw what they had in Patrick Mahomes as a rookie in live action. If Jordan Love, with a first round pedigree and a whole season of practices, does not give your team a better chance to win (because that is what you are trying to do in the playoffs, not simply "finish a game"), then that is a gross indictment of his ability to play football at the professional level. And every single team in the league knows it.

At absolutely no other position do you draft a guy in the first round with the expectation that he will be grossly unable to even serve as a backup as a rookie. At any other position, everyone would already be writing him off as a bust for failing to beat out the backup while being perfectly healthy.

[Soko]

27 minutes ago, Blue said:

Yes, they were. Which makes the claim that a rookie quarterback couldn't be ready to play in the COVID-shortened offseason look utterly absurd.

Nobody said that, that’s something your conflating on your own.

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Green Bay was beating Tennessee and Chicago. Didn't see them putting Tim Boyle in there to see what they had. Made zero attempt to get Love on the roster just in case they would have an opportunity to get him live reps. Even Kansas City made sure they saw what they had in Patrick Mahomes as a rookie in live action.

Okay...

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If Jordan Love, with a first round pedigree and a whole season of practices, does not give your team a better chance to win (because that is what you are trying to do in the playoffs, not simply "finish a game"), then that is a gross indictment of his ability to play football at the professional level. And every single team in the league knows it.

Not really. Again, you have him in a shortened, dumbed down offseason. For a team in playoff contention, losing a game or two (and obviously a playoff game) would/could be very bad for the team. Who’s going to give your team a better chance - the guy who’s been in the building, knows the offense, knows the players, and knows the coaches, or the rookie project QB? 

Padded practices didn’t even start until mid-late August. Preseason games weren’t played. And even then, it’s not like Love was seeing the snaps Burrow or Tua saw. He’s splitting backup reps, after Rodgers eats the lion’s share. 

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At absolutely no other position do you draft a guy in the first round with the expectation that he will be grossly unable to even serve as a backup as a rookie. At any other position, everyone would already be writing him off as a bust for failing to beat out the backup while being perfectly healthy.

If a guy isn’t ready, he isn’t ready. Love wasn’t drafted because he was going to be ready in 2020, he was drafted to be groomed. 

[incognito_man]

3 hours ago, Uncle Buck said:

You make some very good points.

No he doesn't lol

They're all terrible because he can't wrap his head around context. He can't fathom the actual strategy of drafting a QB in the first round to groom. He literally admitted he can't understand what actually happened. So all his following points are void of context. Like the actual real-life context.

It's strange he admits to not knowing if he'll be a franchise QB while simultaneously condemning his ability based solely on a completely irrelevant fact about him being third string.

He conflates this weird trade deadline thing with a lack of value. It's idiotic. You know who else didn't have any trade rumors this year? Patrick Mahomes.

His takeaway would be that Mahomes must therefore be valuable only to the Chiefs and no one else. It's a terrible point void of reason and I command you to never call his terrible points "good" again.

Edited April 7, 2021 by incognito_man

[CrazyJoeDavola]

1 hour ago, Blue said:

Putting aside the absurdity of saying that there would be no competition for a backup spot, you cannot possibly believe that a team in the playoffs wants to do nothing more than "get out of a game" in the playoffs when merely getting out of the game means watching the Super Bowl from the couch.

Getting out of a game means, as someone mentioned earlier, not blowing a lead or imploding. The non rookie is typically the safer bet. Regardless of what your opinion is of Boyle, the Packers and Rodgers felt he was the best man for that job. Also, if Rodgers went down it didn’t matter who came in they would be watching the super bowl from the couch. 

[Uncle Buck]

1 hour ago, incognito_man said:

No he doesn't lol

They're all terrible because he can't wrap his head around context. He can't fathom the actual strategy of drafting a QB in the first round to groom. He literally admitted he can't understand what actually happened. So all his following points are void of context. Like the actual real-life context.

It's strange he admits to not knowing if he'll be a franchise QB while simultaneously condemning his ability based solely on a completely irrelevant fact about him being third string.

He conflates this weird trade deadline thing with a lack of value. It's idiotic. You know who else didn't have any trade rumors this year? Patrick Mahomes.

His takeaway would be that Mahomes must therefore be valuable only to the Chiefs and no one else. It's a terrible point void of reason and I command you to never call his terrible points "good" again.

Sorry, pal.  You have no authority over me. 

[Blue]

2 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

Nobody said that, that’s something your conflating on your own.

Okay...

Not really. Again, you have him in a shortened, dumbed down offseason. For a team in playoff contention, losing a game or two (and obviously a playoff game) would/could be very bad for the team. Who’s going to give your team a better chance - the guy who’s been in the building, knows the offense, knows the players, and knows the coaches, or the rookie project QB? 

Padded practices didn’t even start until mid-late August. Preseason games weren’t played. And even then, it’s not like Love was seeing the snaps Burrow or Tua saw. He’s splitting backup reps, after Rodgers eats the lion’s share. 

If a guy isn’t ready, he isn’t ready. Love wasn’t drafted because he was going to be ready in 2020, he was drafted to be groomed. 

Several people have said that in this thread, lol.

Did Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, and Justin Herbert have lengthier offseasons that I, and the Green Bay Packers, are unaware of? Did the QB class of 2011 not similarly face a shortened offseason due to a strike? It's like you people think Jordan Love is the only player on earth who had to deal with the situation. Spoiler alert, he wasn't.

Tua didn't get the "lion's share" of the reps either. Herbert had to sit behind Tyrod Taylor for the whole offseason and the first couple games. Neither of those guys were anointed starters. They were still ready to play and their teams saw enough from them to put them on the field. If Love wasn't getting as many reps, it's because he didn't earn them. You don't get to say "well he wasn't ready to play" and then go "he was drafted to be developed" because if you don't give him the reps, he's not going to be ready to play and he's not going to develop! That is a garbage excuse.

If you can't even count on a guy to contribute to your depth as a rookie, he has no business being drafted in the first round. Those are the minimum expectations of a first-round pick. If he can't even earn a backup job, that is atrocious. It is not like he is competing with a ten-year vet for reps. It is a guy with drastically inferior physical tools who has nothing more than a year of experience holding a clipboard. If Love can't catch up to him by Week 17, that's abysmal.

All of this is simply in the context of what he's worth to the rest of the league. If he was a year away when he was drafted, and Green Bay didn't give him any reps to develop during the season, how could his value possibly be higher than a second-round pick now? Because that sure looks like where he was going to go if Green Bay hadn't gone up and gotten him.

1 hour ago, CrazyJoeDavola said:

Getting out of a game means, as someone mentioned earlier, not blowing a lead or imploding. The non rookie is typically the safer bet. Regardless of what your opinion is of Boyle, the Packers and Rodgers felt he was the best man for that job. Also, if Rodgers went down it didn’t matter who came in they would be watching the super bowl from the couch. 

If you're in the playoffs, you're almost certainly not looking at a safe lead. It's even more ridiculous given that you're claiming a second-year UDFA from Eastern Kentucky whom the Packers made zero attempt to retain was the "safer" option. That Green Bay thought he was the safer option in spite of a full season for the more-talented first round pick to learn the offense does not reflect well on the first-round pick.

Edited April 7, 2021 by Blue

[Soko]

1 minute ago, Blue said:

Several people have said that in this thread, lol.

Taking considerations of what this offseason entailed = / = saying it’s impossible for all rookies to perform well. That was something you made up, unless you can to quote it. 

1 minute ago, Blue said:

 

1 minute ago, Blue said:

Did Joe Burrow, Tua Tagovailoa, and Justin Herbert have lengthier offseasons that I, and the Green Bay Packers, are unaware of? Did the QB class of 2011 not similarly face a shortened offseason due to a strike? It's like you people think Jordan Love is the only player on earth who had to deal with the situation. Spoiler alert, he wasn't.

Was Love the starter during camp, receiving all the starter’s snaps in a shortened offseason/summer? Was Love the bonafide backup in camp, receiving at least all of the backup’s snaps? Was Love a top 6 pick, expected to (or at least, hopeful to) come in and contribute in 2020? Spoiler alert, he wasn’t. 

1 minute ago, Blue said:

Tua didn't get the "lion's share" of the reps either.

He split majority of the reps with Fitz (and a little bit of Rosen). You’re not seriously pretending that Tua and Love’s positions on the depth chart were similar, are you?

1 minute ago, Blue said:

Herbert had to sit behind Tyrod Taylor for the whole offseason and the first couple games.

And again, was receiving at least all of what you’d expect out of a backup. And was also, you know, a much better prospect...

1 minute ago, Blue said:

Neither of those guys were anointed starters. They were still ready to play and their teams saw enough from them to put them on the field.

Herbert started because of a mishap to Taylor, not because he showed anything in practice/camp to win the job outright (only Tua did this amongst the 4). Love didn’t get that opportunity because he was playing behind the league MVP, not Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor. You do know Boyle didn’t attempt any passes...

1 minute ago, Blue said:

If Love wasn't getting as many reps, it's because he didn't earn them. You don't get to say "well he wasn't ready to play" and then go "he was drafted to be developed" because if you don't give him the reps, he's not going to be ready to play and he's not going to develop! That is a garbage excuse.

...it was a shortened offseason, lol. Padded practices started in the second half of August. No preseason. He was a project that wasn’t expected to be ready in 2020, and that’s what played out. It takes more than one shortened offseason with limited access to coaches in order for a project QB to be as ready as any of the top 6 picks, stop it.

 

 

[Blue]

1 hour ago, Yin-Yang said:

Taking considerations of what this offseason entailed = / = saying it’s impossible for all rookies to perform well. That was something you made up, unless you can to quote it. 

Was Love the starter during camp, receiving all the starter’s snaps in a shortened offseason/summer? Was Love the bonafide backup in camp, receiving at least all of the backup’s snaps? Was Love a top 6 pick, expected to (or at least, hopeful to) come in and contribute in 2020? Spoiler alert, he wasn’t. 

He split majority of the reps with Fitz (and a little bit of Rosen). You’re not seriously pretending that Tua and Love’s positions on the depth chart were similar, are you?

And again, was receiving at least all of what you’d expect out of a backup. And was also, you know, a much better prospect...

Herbert started because of a mishap to Taylor, not because he showed anything in practice/camp to win the job outright (only Tua did this amongst the 4). Love didn’t get that opportunity because he was playing behind the league MVP, not Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor. You do know Boyle didn’t attempt any passes...

...it was a shortened offseason, lol. Padded practices started in the second half of August. No preseason. He was a project that wasn’t expected to be ready in 2020, and that’s what played out. It takes more than one shortened offseason with limited access to coaches in order for a project QB to be as ready as any of the top 6 picks, stop it.

 

 

What are you talking about? Other people said "well he didn't have a whole offseason." I pointed out there were three other rookie QBs who had to deal with the same thing and were still ready to play. That's perfectly relevant. What did I make up?

Was Justin Herbert the starter during camp? Was Tua Tagovailoa receiving all the starter's snaps in a shortened offseason/summer? Those players had the exact same expectations as Jordan Love for year one. Trying to claim they didn't is completely ignoring what the expectations were for those players going into the season.

I'm not pretending they're the same because Love wasn't coming off a season-ending injury. If anything, he got more of an opportunity than Tua. It is incredible that anyone is trying to make the argument that Love wasn't given a fair opportunity to win the backup job. He absolutely was and he didn't earn it. That's the painful truth you just have to accept.

Pointing out that Herbert didn't start because of Taylor is not helping your case in the slightest. First off, look at who the coach was for LA at the start of 2020 and who's the coach for 2021. Gee, wonder if his handling of the QB situation was part of the reason that's not the same person. Second, Herbert was also a guy that people said needed to sit a year before he was ready. The fact that he split limited reps, wasn't prepped to be the starter, and still went on to be OROY is pretty damning evidence that not having a full offseason isn't a good excuse for not winning at least the backup job.

Your argument is that they picked a project QB in the first round, then didn't bother giving him any reps to get better, then didn't give him any real game experience to see what they had. There is absolutely no way to spin that where either Love or the coaching doesn't come across as having absolutely no idea what they're doing. Let me know which one it is: is Love garbage or is the coaching staff completely ****ting the bed when it comes to developing him? Because it is one or the other, and you don't get to have it both ways.

Edited April 7, 2021 by Blue

[Soko]

21 minutes ago, Blue said:

What are you talking about? Other people said "well he didn't have a whole offseason." I pointed out there were three other rookie QBs who had to deal with the same thing and were still ready to play. That's perfectly relevant. What did I make up?

“He didn’t have a full offseason” = / = it’s impossible for all rookies to perform well. Once again, you’re conflating that. 

And no, they weren’t dealing with the same thing because you’re conveniently pretending that Love competing for reps as a backup (as in, wasn’t preparing as a bonafide backup QB) is somehow similar to Tua competing for a starting job, Burrow being outright handed the starting job, and Herbert getting reps as the backup before being inserted due to injury. You’re also conveniently omitting exactly where/when they were drafted and what sort of expectations they had as rookies.

21 minutes ago, Blue said:

Was Justin Herbert the starter during camp? Was Tua Tagovailoa receiving all the starter's snaps in a shortened offseason/summer? Those players had the exact same expectations as Jordan Love for year one. Trying to claim they didn't is completely ignoring what the expectations were for those players going into the season.

No, they didn’t at all. Pretending that that’s the case is just...crazy, honestly. Tua and Herbert were not thought as near the projects that Love was.  They were temporarily behind career backup QBs. It’s clownish behavior to even pretend that that’s the same as Love being a multiple year project behind Rodgers. 

21 minutes ago, Blue said:

I'm not pretending they're the same because Love wasn't coming off a season-ending injury. If anything, he got more of an opportunity than Tua. It is incredible that anyone is trying to make the argument that Love wasn't given a fair opportunity to win the backup job. He absolutely was and he didn't earn it. That's the painful truth you just have to accept.

Okay, so I lied earlier. *This* is the funniest thing I’ve read thus far.

For the record, I don’t disagree that there was a QB competition (based on what I’ve been reading), it’s just Love was behind the 8-ball from the get go.

21 minutes ago, Blue said:

Pointing out that Herbert didn't start because of Taylor is not helping your case in the slightest. First off, look at who the coach was for LA at the start of 2020 and who's the coach for 2021. Gee, wonder if his handling of the QB situation was part of the reason that's not the same person. Second, Herbert was also a guy that people said needed to sit a year before he was ready. The fact that he split limited reps, wasn't prepped to be the starter, and still went on to be OROY is pretty damning evidence that not having a full offseason isn't a good excuse for not winning at least the backup job.

Different situations completely. Herbert was only given the opportunity when he was because of what happened to Tyrod. He was gifted the backup position, unlike Love. He was also a much more highly touted prospect (and even you can’t pretend to ignore that, as “they’re all FRPs with expectations in Year 1”, but somehow you’re arguing that Love shouldn’t have even been a FRP in the first place - can’t argue both). 

It isn’t just about not having the offseason, but keep ignoring it every time it gets said.

21 minutes ago, Blue said:

Your argument is that they picked a project QB in the first round, then didn't bother giving him any reps to get better, then didn't give him any real game experience to see what they had.

...because of COVID. How is that hard to comprehend? He’d have gotten more looks, more time in the actual facility, on the field - if not for COVID. So yes, Green Bay took a project QB in the first round and his development was stunted, and those efforts were largely stunted because of the weird offseason. 

Why do you need to “see what you have” at that point? The guy’s not expected to do anything relevant until Rodgers is done for.

21 minutes ago, Blue said:

There is absolutely no way to spin that where either Love or the coaching doesn't come across as having absolutely no idea what they're doing. Let me know which one it is: is Love garbage or is the coaching staff completely ****ting the bed when it comes to developing him? Because it is one or the other, and you don't get to have it both ways.

“You don’t get to have it both ways”

”Tua and Herbert had the EXACT same expectations as Love” - the former two were picked in the top 6 and were actively competing with backup QBs to be the starter on teams with little playoff aspiration...the latter was a project taken at the end of the first behind the league MVP.

”Love was ticketed for Round 2” - yet somehow has the EXACT same expectations as two top 6 picks with bad starters.

Seems you get to have things both ways, I guess.

 

 

[Ryan_W]

save'em for the leagues midseason QB injuries

can get more than a 11-20 pick then

[Blue]

5 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said:

“He didn’t have a full offseason” = / = it’s impossible for all rookies to perform well. Once again, you’re conflating that. 

And no, they weren’t dealing with the same thing because you’re conveniently pretending that Love competing for reps as a backup (as in, wasn’t preparing as a bonafide backup QB) is somehow similar to Tua competing for a starting job, Burrow being outright handed the starting job, and Herbert getting reps as the backup before being inserted due to injury. You’re also conveniently omitting exactly where/when they were drafted and what sort of expectations they had as rookies.

No, they didn’t at all. Pretending that that’s the case is just...crazy, honestly. Tua and Herbert were not thought as near the projects that Love was.  They were temporarily behind career backup QBs. It’s clownish behavior to even pretend that that’s the same as Love being a multiple year project behind Rodgers. 

Okay, so I lied earlier. *This* is the funniest thing I’ve read thus far.

For the record, I don’t disagree that there was a QB competition (based on what I’ve been reading), it’s just Love was behind the 8-ball from the get go.

Different situations completely. Herbert was only given the opportunity when he was because of what happened to Tyrod. He was gifted the backup position, unlike Love. He was also a much more highly touted prospect (and even you can’t pretend to ignore that, as “they’re all FRPs with expectations in Year 1”, but somehow you’re arguing that Love shouldn’t have even been a FRP in the first place - can’t argue both). 

It isn’t just about not having the offseason, but keep ignoring it every time it gets said.

...because of COVID. How is that hard to comprehend? He’d have gotten more looks, more time in the actual facility, on the field - if not for COVID. So yes, Green Bay took a project QB in the first round and his development was stunted, and those efforts were largely stunted because of the weird offseason. 

Why do you need to “see what you have” at that point? The guy’s not expected to do anything relevant until Rodgers is done for.

“You don’t get to have it both ways”

”Tua and Herbert had the EXACT same expectations as Love” - the former two were picked in the top 6 and were actively competing with backup QBs to be the starter on teams with little playoff aspiration...the latter was a project taken at the end of the first behind the league MVP.

”Love was ticketed for Round 2” - yet somehow has the EXACT same expectations as two top 6 picks with bad starters.

Seems you get to have things both ways, I guess.

 

 

What are you talking about? I'm not conflating those things at all. I am simply pointing out that Jordan Love did not face any particularly special challenges that every other rookie quarterback was not also facing.

Quit lying. At no point were Tua or Herbert given a chance to win the starting jobs for their teams in preseason. I could link you a half-dozen Rotoworld posts stating that Lynn fully planned to start Tyrod Taylor all season, and Lynn even said that Taylor would be the starter when he got healthy right up until Herbert made it impossible for him to do that without getting fired on the spot. Everyone was shocked Tua was named the starter midway through the season in spite of Fitzpatrick's play, and he was still no-contact in practices two weeks into the actual season. At no point were either of those players given a fair chance to start Week 1, and if Taylor's lung isn't punctured, it's possible Herbert sits the whole year.

So yes, they did have the same expectations as Love: ride the bench, get some practice reps, be ready for 2021. Claiming otherwise is revisionist history at best.

Yes, Love probably was ticketed for the second round if the Packers didn't take him. How convenient that you ignore the fact that he was taken in the first round. So yes, I can claim both things because they're both true! Amazing how you get to do that when you say things that are true.

[Blue]

We can keep going back and forth about how ridiculous and contradictory your argument is, but it's not relevant to OP's question: Is Jordan Love worth a first round pick? And frankly, I don't see a lot to suggest Green Bay could get that kind of return for him.

There were plenty of teams in the playoff race who needed a QB who could have traded for him at the deadline. Zero reports of any interest.

At the very least, Washington has no QB of the future on roster and rapidly dwindling chances of acquiring one in this year's draft. Zero reports of them having any interest in Love, and I have to think Green Bay would at least listen if Washington offered No. 20 overall for Love straight up.

Love was not even a top-25 pick last year and was the fourth QB off the board. Jacksonville, with Gardner Minshew under center, passed on him twice. So did Oakland, despite showing a great deal of interest in QBs like Marcus Mariota and DeShone Kizer with similar skillsets. Love then proceeded to not even be active for a game for a year, confirming that he was, in fact, a project and not exceeding his draft projection in the slightest.

So now you have a guy who your only eval on is from college, and you know that the team which traded up to draft him didn't feel confident enough to put him into a game if their starter went down. In fact, his team wasn't even willing to sacrifice a game day roster spot on the off chance that they could get him some garbage time reps in a blowout. There is no way to spin that as a positive for Jordan Love's value as an asset, regardless of what you think of Tim Boyle, a guy Green Bay didn't even try to bring back after (according to the Jordan Love defenders) handing him all the second-team reps throughout the season.