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7DnBrnc53's second 2021 mock (2-rounder)


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7 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said:

TRADE: Denver sends their 2021 first rounder (9th overall), 2022 third-rounder, and WR Tim Patrick to Atlanta for their 2021 first-rounder (4th overall)

That's a pretty low return for Atlanta.

7 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said:

TRADE: Cleveland sends the 26th overall pick, 2021 third-rounder, and 2022 fifth-rounder to New England for the 15th overall pick.

Given the analytics department in Cleveland, this is highly unlikely to happen. If anything, CLE would trade back.

You also have comparable value to move up to 15 that you do to move up to 9 here.

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6 hours ago, BowlesDawgDX said:

Fine with trading down for the Falcons, but why in the world would we take Smith after receiving Tim Patrick in your trade and having Julio and Ridley on the team? Given the board, Surtain and Slater make much more sense. Love the 2nd pick

Patrick will be FA next year, as well as Calvin Ridley, Russell Gage, and a few others they have at that position.

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2 hours ago, CBrownsman said:

From a browns perspective, I would be shocked if we take a linebacker, let alone trade up for one.

The system they are looking to run is more of a 6 defensive back against 11 personel, so a SS playing LB with 2 boundry corners, a slot corner, and 2 other safeties.

With the resigning of Malchom Smith, Signing Anthony Walker, Drafting Phillips last year and the emergence of TakiTaki, I don't think any browns analysts thing were going LB with this front office.

That being said I like the trade up, I would certianly give up a 3rd and 5th to move up to 15, I think it would be for a CB (Farley) or a DE (Paye), or even the DT (Baremore) though....

Well, from what I heard (from my cousin who is a Browns fan), the LB core is total garbage, including Takitaki and Mack Wilson. I know they drafted Jacob Phillips last year, but he didn't set the world on fire. In addition, Anthony Walker is a FA after this year.

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7 hours ago, Scoundrel said:

As a Broncos fan I’ll tell you that isn’t enough value to move up to 4.

Not if you use precedence like lawyers do. For example, I go on this site to find a similar trade (and what was given up):

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/

In 2013, the Raiders had the third pick, and to trade up from 12, Miami only sent that pick and a second-rounder. Why should Denver have to give up more to move up to four from nine?

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9 minutes ago, 7DnBrnc53 said:

Not if you use precedence like lawyers do. For example, I go on this site to find a similar trade (and what was given up):

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/

In 2013, the Raiders had the third pick, and to trade up from 12, Miami only sent that pick and a second-rounder. Why should Denver have to give up more to move up to four from nine?

They are moving up for a QB. Check the precedence on that. It does matter.

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15 minutes ago, Scoundrel said:

They are moving up for a QB. Check the precedence on that. It does matter.

The point scale they came up with in the 90's is fixed. It doesn't go up when a QB is involved.

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TRADE: Denver sends their 2021 first rounder (9th overall), 2022 third-rounder, and WR Tim Patrick to Atlanta for their 2021 first-rounder (4th overall)

Why the hell would the Falcons want or need Tim Patrick? Also, the Falcons would need at least the 2nd this year and 1st next for that move. Not a 2021 1st, a 2022 3rd and some random WR. QB premiums actually exist. Whether you want to believe it or not. Atlanta knows they'd be trading up for one. Especially one Atlanta would want themselves. Minimum Atlanta would move down for:

No. 9 overall

2021 2nd round pick

2022 1st round pick

 

And that's the starting point. Don't like it, don't care. And they don't want or need Tim Patrick here.

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9. Atlanta: (from DEN): DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama
 

I don't hate this, but if they're trading down, they aren't taking WR, they're going BPA of actual spots that would start this year. like CB, LG, S or EDGE. 

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2 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said:

The point scale they came up with in the 90's is fixed. It doesn't go up when a QB is involved.

The point scale they came up with in the 90s doesn't exist anymore. QB premium is there. If the Falcons don't get enough in a trade (and that sure as hell isn't enough), then they just will take their top QB whether it's Fields or Lance, or will go with Pitts.

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I don't think the Browns move into the top 15 with a third and a future 5th. More like their 2nd this year, and a third or fourth next year.

As for the Bengals, no problem with Sewell. I'm 100% on board with either him or Chase. DT isn't a rd 2 need or the best value imo. Marshall, Eichenberg (even if we take Sewell it wouldn't preclude us from OL in rd 2), Ossai, or Tryon all make more sense.

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11 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said:

Not if you use precedence like lawyers do. For example, I go on this site to find a similar trade (and what was given up):

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/

In 2013, the Raiders had the third pick, and to trade up from 12, Miami only sent that pick and a second-rounder. Why should Denver have to give up more to move up to four from nine?

In 2018, Indianapolis traded a first-round selection (3rd) to the Jets in exchange for the Jets' first-round selection (6th), two second-round selections (37th and 49th), and a second-round selection in 2019.

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13 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said:
21 hours ago, Scoundrel said:

As a Broncos fan I’ll tell you that isn’t enough value to move up to 4.

Not if you use precedence like lawyers do. For example, I go on this site to find a similar trade (and what was given up):

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/

In 2013, the Raiders had the third pick, and to trade up from 12, Miami only sent that pick and a second-rounder. Why should Denver have to give up more to move up to four from nine?

And you didn't want to factor in the 2014 trade up from 9 to 4 from Buffalo to Cleveland why again with that logic...?

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1 hour ago, MWil23 said:

And you didn't want to factor in the 2014 trade up from 9 to 4 from Buffalo to Cleveland why again with that logic...?

Using that trade up (1 in current year, 1 in next year and 4 in next year), as the base, the Falcons would likely need more than that with the QB premium and the fact they'd miss out on Kyle Pitts as well. To make that worth it, the minimum the Falcons would likely accept:

No. 9 overall 2021

2nd and 4th 2021

1st and 4th 2022

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