RSkinGM Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 48 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: Also, hopefully you understand that those that see the "reality" of the Chase Young situation are not rooting for him to fail, we just aren't expecting him to succeed anymore. We want him to do really well. It would be amazing if things clicked and he became a world-beater. There just isn't anything that has been shown to indicate that it is going to happen. Summed up in a nice neat ball ! Well said, well said . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 19 hours ago, turtle28 said: Chase has had 6.5 sacks his last 16 games he played in that he was healthy. And 2 taken away on bogus roughing the passer calls in 2021, if you could those that’s 8.5 before the age of 23. He also has 5 forced fumbles & a fumble recovery for a TD which was a game changing play vs the 49ers as a rookie in a game where if he doesn’t make that play we probably lose the game. My bias has nothing to do with college. @lavar703 can remember, I didn’t even want to draft Chase really until the draft got closer & especially not before the 2019 college football season. I wanted Andrew Thomas or my line was “tank for Tua” but that was before Tua dislocated his hip. I wanted Andrew Thomas bc we were going to lose Trent & we needed to draft a new LT. I mean effin shoot me dead for rooting for a Commanders player to succeed that we drafted 2nd overall & I still want to see become an All-Pro type player! If that makes me some ridiculously biased fan bc I want to see Chase reach his expectations then I guess I’m just going to have to live with that. The difference between me & most in this forum & half the donk on Twitter is I will always root for the Commanders player to succeed & reach their potential until it’s blatantly obvious they wont then I’ll say they should just be a back up or we need to move on. In Chase’s case - short of his rookie season & the first half of his 2nd season when I believe he was still just 22 - he hasn’t been healthy to prove himself & reach that potential so if I’m an idiot bc I want to see if he can do that this year before giving up on our 2nd overall pick who does have Julius Peppers type natural athleticism still at 6’5, 270 pounds, then so be it! I guess I’m the idiot! 😂 I guess we’ll find out by January who’s right. I would be elated if Chase lived up to his expectation on draft night, as this would mean our defense is top 3 in the league. And bro - I am rooting my *** for every player that stands in the field in a Commanders jersey. At the same time, he is infuriating to watch. His ego and attitude is crippling his ability to be a great teammate. I wouldn't say it's beyond his potential to be a blue chip edge rusher, he just needs to grow up to do so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 3 hours ago, Troublez said: I would be elated if Chase lived up to his expectation on draft night, as this would mean our defense is top 3 in the league. And bro - I am rooting my *** for every player that stands in the field in a Commanders jersey. At the same time, he is infuriating to watch. His ego and attitude is crippling his ability to be a great teammate. I wouldn't say it's beyond his potential to be a blue chip edge rusher, he just needs to grow up to do so.... Well he’s not for me. He didn't explode the 1st half of his 2nd season & then got hurt & you detractors are acting like his career is over. And I'm sorry I honestly don't believe anyone in this forum or Twitter who constantly talks ish about Chass that they want him at all. You all want the team to trade him when his value is at it's absolute worst it could be, it makes no effin sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 14 hours ago, Slappy Mc said: Two things that you need to consider: 1. If Chase wasn't drafted 2nd overall, would you be this hard-pressed to admit that he has failed (so-far)? Not sure why you aren't beating the table for Montez Sweat to get a contract extension first. If you recall he was also a 1st round pick and has significantly better stats. Yes I’d still stand on the table for Chase no matted where drafted bc I've seen the flashes his rookie year & first half of 2021 & seen the attention he gets from blocking schemes that no other DL we have gets to see the potential there when he's developed to be a perennial double-digit sack guy who also gets 5+ forced fumbles a year & a few game-changing plays a year aka DPOY candidate in a few years. He just needs Kerrigan to refine his technique & pass rushing plans going into games to get him home more & get those sacks that he's barely missing. Well in case you've been under a rock, I've really soured on Rivera since his 2nd offseason when he screwed up on the QB situation & then doubled down on making it worse in 2022 while losing both of his good-to-great guards & 3rd best DT bc he wanted to trade for Carson Wentz which blew up in his face worse than the stupid Fitzpatrick signing in 2022. So, I think Rivera made a huge mistake by not doing the 5th year option bc it will be cheaper than the franchise tag & it leaves the franchise tag to be there to be applied to Curl or Sweat (as a tag & trade) should Chase play well this season. The 5th year option gave them more roster flexibility next offseason. Currently yes, Chase is here for just one more year bc that dumb decision but if he was here for 2 more years at an avg of $14 mil ($11 mil in 22, $17 mil in 2024) we'd have more time to evaluate him & he'd have more time to show his development. I don't see much of a difference of you all giving up on him based off the last 2 seasons where in the first half of 2021 he flashed but didn't take the next step like we had hoped & then got hurt vs you all rooting for him to fail, either way you want him gone & traded for peanuts which makes zero sense to me. So the difference between the two is just semantics. 14 hours ago, Slappy Mc said: 2. When the team decided to decline his 5th-year option, that should have told you a lot about "the potential" that you speak of. He has been monitored and evaluated very closely for 3 years by the staff and they concluded that 17.5M was too much to commit to Chase for next year. Even if he balls out here, his chances to resign here went down significantly. The team essentially is playing hard ball. Ron came out and said that Chase understands this side of the business. If the shoe flips and Chase has the leverage, he will absolutely use everything in his power to max his profits, that probably won't be with the team that didn't believe in him enough to pick up his option. I think you need to look at this season more as a 1-year rental. (JMHO) Edited June 22 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 We have 2 of the top 15 highest paid DLs in the league. It's time Rivera wins a playoff game or... Be Gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 3 hours ago, turtle28 said: We have 2 of the top 15 highest paid DLs in the league. It's time Rivera wins a playoff game or... Be Gone! It's time we MADE the Playoffs,,at least ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 4 hours ago, turtle28 said: & first half of 2021 4 hours ago, turtle28 said: where in the first half of 2021 he flashed I still don't see how that's helping your argument. Gotta see if I am in an alternate reality where - nope, same games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: I still don't see how that's helping your argument. Gotta see if I am in an alternate reality where - nope, same games. He flashed in games. You can’t just look at raw stats. He had 2 sacks taken away from him for one, so if were talking about 3.5 sacks in 8 games it’s still not great, but no one would be saying he was trash either. In the Chiefs game he got pressure on/hit and would’ve sacked Mahomes but forced Mahomes to throw a lollipop in the air which Bobby McCain intercepted. He almost had an int on a screen pass vs Green Bay & if he caught it, it probably would’ve been a pick 6. He had 2 forced fumbles so he was on pace to have 4 or 5 again like he did as a rookie. And he’s always been a great run defender. He gets off blocks so well in the run game, it’s like Jon Allen level. He needs to learn some counter moves/retrace more like Kerrigan used to & a swim move rather than just be a speed rush or bull rush but, he’s not an ineffective pass rushers as you detractors want to sell. Edited June 22 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 5 hours ago, turtle28 said: Well he’s not for me. He didn't explode the 1st half of his 2nd season & then got hurt & you detractors are acting like his career is over. And I'm sorry I honestly don't believe anyone in this forum or Twitter who constantly talks ish about Chass that they want him at all. You all want the team to trade him when his value is at it's absolute worst it could be, it makes no effin sense. Until he grows up, he will likey be average or below average. Turtle - our defense was better with him on IR..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Troublez said: Until he grows up, he will likey be average or below average. Turtle - our defense was better with him on IR..... Nah, our D was the best in 2020 when he was healthy. He & Curl single handily won a few games like the 49ers game. You can only tell if someone has grown as a person in their actions moving forward, he or us can do nothing about how he let the 2nd half of his rookie season go to his head & acted immaturely in the 2021 off-season as a 22-yesr old kid then. He's not been humbled by his knee injury & is 24, I think/hope he's matured & grown as a professional. Since 2021, no one can point to anything he's done that was immature so I'm going to assume he's matured. Edited June 22 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Nah, our D was the best in 2020 when he was healthy. He & Curl single handily won a few games like the 49ers game. There is no way you can think that.... all the gap assignments in 2021 that were blown for personal glory (over pursuit etc.). Our D was terrible when he was free lancing.... and then when he was medically cleared to return.... he sat on his ***... Rivera / JDR we're relieved, bc undrafted backups produced better results. He is so incredibly talented. Watching him at OHio State my god he was an animal.... He just refuses to be coached and you can't be immature like that in the NFL. Edited June 22 by Troublez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 5 minutes ago, turtle28 said: He flashed in games. You can’t just look at raw stats. I'm not. I watched the same games you did. The other people making the same argument did too. He was not the same player from his rookie year. Quote He had 2 sacks taken away from him for one, so if were talking about 3.5 sacks in 8 games it’s still not great, but no one would be saying he was trash either. Not #2 overall worthy though. I expected more. Quote In the Chiefs game he got pressure on/hit and would’ve sacked Mahomes but forced Mahomes to throw a lollipop in the air which Bobby McCain intercepted. He almost had an int on a screen pass vs Green Bay & if he caught it, it probably would’ve been a pick 6. He had 2 forced fumbles so he was on pace to have 4 or 5 again like he did as a rookie. And he’s always been a great run defender. He gets off blocks so well in the run game, it’s like Jon Allen level. He needs to learn some counter moves/retrace more like Kerrigan used to & a swim move rather than just be a speed rush or bull rush but, he’s not an ineffective pass rushers as you detractors want to sell. It's not that he was devoid of plays. He's not on the level he should be. He's not Bosa, Watt, etc. I expect that, and I don't see why that's unreasonable. He was the #2 pick. He was hyped to hell. It's disappointing that not only is he not living up to expectations, but that he might just be a "solid" player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: I'm not. I watched the same games you did. The other people making the same argument did too. He was not the same player from his rookie year. Not #2 overall worthy though. I expected more. It's not that he was devoid of plays. He's not on the level he should be. He's not Bosa, Watt, etc. I expect that, and I don't see why that's unreasonable. He was the #2 pick. He was hyped to hell. It's disappointing that not only is he not living up to expectations, but that he might just be a "solid" player. That’s not unreasonable, but nothing can be done about 2021 or that he got injured, all we have is now. We all expect that. I expect to see that this season. If we don't see that this season then they’re going to have to decide if they want to re-sign him & what contract he should command next offseason. So, if he catches the screen pass vs Green Bay & we beat the Packers in GB & those 2 penalties don't get called for roughing the passer and he has 3.5 sacks w/ 2 FF & an int returned for a TD? How you feeling then? That's the same player he was as a rookie & he plays great run D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 9 hours ago, turtle28 said: You all want the team to trade him when his value is at it's absolute worst it could be, it makes no effin sense. The only time his value was good was after his first season and at that point we assumed he was going to be a long term player here and would be a consummate professional. That didn't work out for us. His value has been bad since then and he was untradeable while hurt. So our only time to actually trade him for value is between now and before the deadline and that is if he actually produces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, offbyone said: The only time his value was good was after his first season and at that point we assumed he was going to be a long term player here and would be a consummate professional. That didn't work out for us. His value has been bad since then and he was untradeable while hurt. So our only time to actually trade him for value is between now and before the deadline and that is if he actually produces. Yeah, more like the trade deadline bc right now his value isn't any better than when he was hurt. He has to prove he can be better than he was in 2021 to increase his trade value this year. The only way to do that is to have him play for us for a month at least this season but, if he looks good, I have a hard time believing Ron will trade him bc Ron while frustrated with Chase wants Chase to succeed. Edited June 22 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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