Jeezla Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Bullet Club said: That's irrelevant to him being better than Dame, Embiid, and Davis though. He can not be a good enough #1 to win a ring and still be better than them. He can also be the 11th best player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, Jeezla said: He can also be the 11th best player He's not though. We'll keep it simple, there is really no argument for Dame to be above him. Harden is a better offensive player, a much better defensive player, has better postseason numbers, and more postseason success. We can get into Embiid and Davis if you want but the Harden/Dame one is about as clear as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeezla said: Does 2 leg Harden have a better track record in the playoffs? Both versions are losers. Did Khris Middleton or Devin Booker have great track records in the playoffs? And are we going to totally ignore the fact that the Rockets were up 3-2 against the Warriors before CP3 got hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Bullet Club said: He's not though. We'll keep it simple, there is really no argument for Dame to be above him. Harden is a better offensive player, a much better defensive player, has better postseason numbers, and more postseason success. We can get into Embiid and Davis if you want but the Harden/Dame one is about as clear as it gets. Harden was the MVP on a team with the best record in the league and a game away from beating the Warriors with Durant before CP3 went choker mode, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeezla said: Doubt it. Harden just isn't good enough to win a ring. He's the Matt Ryan of the NBA. Stats look great, but he just ain't that guy. But Dame is that guy? He has gotten out of the 1st round 3 times in 9 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Harden was the MVP on a team with the best record in the league and a game away from beating the Warriors with Durant before CP3 went choker mode, lol. Look at their postseason numbers. Both were amazing in round 1 this year, and than Harden was hurt in round 2. Here are the past years. The only one you could maybe give Lillard is 2014. None of the others are even close. 2020 Harden: 29.6-5.6-7.7 63.6% TS Lillard: 24.3-3.5-4.3 61.8% TS 2019 Harden: 31.6-6.9-6.6 56.7% TS Lillard: 26.9-4.8-6.6 56.6% TS 2018 Harden: 28.6-5.2-6.8 54.8 TS% Lillard: 18.5-4.5-4.8 47.1 % TS 2017 Harden: 28.5-5.5-8.5 58.3% TS Lillard: 27.8-4.5-3.3 55.0% TS 2016 Harden: 26.6-5.2-7.6 55.5% TS Lillard: 26.5-4.3-6.3 52.7% TS 2015 Harden: 27.2-5.7-7.5 62.0% TS Lillard: 21.6-4.0-4.6 49.1% TS 2014 Harden: 26.8-4.7-5.8 51.9% TS Lillard: 22.9-5.1-6.5 57.8% TS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, NYRaider said: But Dame is that guy? He has gotten out of the 1st round 3 times in 9 seasons. And his best wingman has been Lamarcus Aldridge, who even Pop couldn't do anything with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jeezla said: And his best wingman has been Lamarcus Aldridge, who even Pop couldn't do anything with. So he's not good enough to be the guy on an elite team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: So he's not good enough to be the guy on an elite team. Just like Harden? Put Tom Brady or Pat Maholmes on the Texans or Jets, I bet they don't get out of the 1st round either. Edited July 27, 2021 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, NYRaider said: So he's not good enough to be the guy on an elite team. Only Harden trashing thus far. There has yet to be a single argument made that Dame is better than Harden. Which isn't surprising because there isn't one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Dame over Harden? Yeah I’ve seen it all lol. There’s no argument that exists for that take. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeezla said: Just like Harden? Did you miss when Harden was the MVP on the team with the best record in the league that was up 3-2 vs the Durant Warriors then lost the series after CP3 got hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, NYRaider said: Did you miss when Harden was the MVP on the team with the best record in the league that was up 3-2 vs the Durant Warriors then lost the series after CP3 got hurt? What does that version of James Harden have to do with the soon to be 32 year old version? They aren't the same guy. Father time wacked James Harden in the knees over the past year. Dame is still at 100% peak performance. Harden is 75% of what he was just 2 years ago. It's the top going into the next season. Not top 10 over the last 3+ years. Harden has had a better career. Dame will be the better player going forward. Edited July 28, 2021 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeezla said: What does that version of James Harden have to do with the soon to be 32 year old version? They aren't the same guy. Father time wacked James Harden in the knees over the past year. Dame is still at 100% peak performance. Harden is 75% of what he was just 2 years ago. It's the top going into the next season. Not top 10 over the last 3+ years. Harden has had a better career. Dame will be better going forward. So peak Dame Lillard is good enough for the 6th seed and to get bounced by Campazzo in the 1st round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: So peak Dame Lillard is good enough for the 6th seed and to get bounced by Campazzo in the 1st round? Do you think Portland is good without Dame? I think Nets make the playoffs even if Harden sits the season out. If you simply swapped Harden for Dame, do you think Portland makes it to the finals? Edited July 28, 2021 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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