Pick 26 your ideal

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20 minutes ago, CBrownsman said:

So I agree with you on the every one has a question mark, but I don't remember this many talented DE prospects in the first round, or options in the late first round.

If there weren't question marks or issues with their game, they wouldn't make it out of the top 10, that's kind how DE's work

I can't help looking back at 2018.  Marcus Davenport was a good prospect but had a lot of question marks, Strength, 2nd move, competition level, etc.  The Saints traded up and gave away their future 1st to get him.

I look at this draft and wonder where Davenport (as a prospect not today) would have fallen, they loved him because of his athleticism but at 6'-6" 265 and running a 4.58, is he much different than Phillips? 6'-5", 260, 4.56 40.  Phillips has the knock of the accident and concussion but is much more powerful, faced much better competition, and was higher ranked prospect out of HS.

Where does Phillips fall? he's like 4th on my list :-P.  

I’d have to go back and look but I guess part of my issue is there isn’t a single “really good” DE prospect in this class imo.

And I get that most players have holes, but most of these guys have GLARING issues.  As in, next to nothing as far as production, seriously questionable athletics, multiple injuries, etc,.  
 

In 5 years if I looked back and saw all of these dudes ended up fizzling out I wouldn’t be shocked.  There’s not one I’d pound the table for at all.

I think the dudes available in R2-3 have just as good of odds of being quality players tbh.

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41 minutes ago, FGK said:

So the question totally comes down to who is there. If one of the top 3 CBs (Surtain, Horn, Newsome) falls then that's likely BPA at our biggest need. But if they don't, and especially if Farley goes too, then you're looking at inferior CB prospects versus the top DE prospects and then I think that's more of an even decision.

I agree I don’t want the 6th or 7th best CB at 26, but there’s not one dude at DE that I think anyone can feel uber confident in.

I’d prolly look somewhere other than corner and DE at that point tbh.

[MWil23]

There are 4 WR I think should go in the first round (Chase, Smith, Waddle, Bateman).

There are 4 CB's that I'd take in the first round (Surtain, Horn, Farley, Newsome), and another 2-3 I like after Round 1 (Samuel, Melifonwu).

There is not a single LB that I'd personally like in the FIRST Round, but there are about 6-7 I'd like in R2 or even R3.

There are 2 DE I'd consider in the first (Paye, Rousseau) and 1 other I'd talk myself into (the kid from UGA).

There's 1 DT I'd consider in the first (Barmore).

JMHO

[FGK]

5 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I agree I don’t want the 6th or 7th best CB at 26, but there’s not one dude at DE that I think anyone can feel uber confident in.

I’d prolly look somewhere other than corner and DE at that point tbh.

Terrace Marshall was quickly becoming my preferred non-DE/CB prospect (if it's Barmore I'll shrug and be okay with it, but not super excited), but now with word that his medical checks at Indy were bad and will make him fall into the 2nd or 3rd, I'm not sure who my preference is at #26. I think it's becoming to trade down into the early 2nd and pick up either another 2nd/3rd this year or a 1st/2nd next year. The more mocks I've done, the 30-90 range in this draft is really solid. I like a ton of guys who go in there. We've got 4 picks in that range right now, I'd love to end up with 5 in there plus a couple future picks.

[MWil23]

2 minutes ago, FGK said:

Terrace Marshall was quickly becoming my preferred non-DE/CB prospect (if it's Barmore I'll shrug and be okay with it, but not super excited), but now with word that his medical checks at Indy were bad and will make him fall into the 2nd or 3rd, I'm not sure who my preference is at #26. I think it's becoming to trade down into the early 2nd and pick up either another 2nd/3rd this year or a 1st/2nd next year. The more mocks I've done, the 30-90 range in this draft is really solid. I like a ton of guys who go in there. We've got 4 picks in that range right now, I'd love to end up with 5 in there plus a couple future picks.

A Werner/Melifonwu/Marshall after D2 would be pretty hard not to love tbh. 

[FGK]

3 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

There are 4 WR I think should go in the first round (Chase, Smith, Waddle, Bateman).

There are 4 CB's that I'd take in the first round (Surtain, Horn, Farley, Newsome), and another 2-3 I like after Round 1 (Samuel, Melifonwu).

There is not a single LB that I'd personally like in the FIRST Round, but there are about 6-7 I'd like in R2 or even R3.

There are 2 DE I'd consider in the first (Paye, Rousseau) and 1 other I'd talk myself into (the kid from UGA).

There's 1 DT I'd consider in the first (Barmore).

JMHO

I'm close with you here. Pre-injury news I'd have added Marshall to your first round guys at WR, but now I'm not so sure. I'd add Phillips to the R1 DEs (just because if we take him it means our medical guys are comfortable with it. This FO isn't gonna ignore doctors.)

I'm really liking the "get ALLLLLLL the 2nd/early 3rd round piiiiiiicks" plan right now. Because there are a ton of WR (Toney, Moore, Marshall), LB (Davis, Werner, Browning, etc.), DT (McNeil, Williams, Tufele, etc.) and S (Holland, Johnson, etc.) that I love in that range but would be ehhhhhh about in the 1st.

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1 minute ago, FGK said:

Terrace Marshall was quickly becoming my preferred non-DE/CB prospect (if it's Barmore I'll shrug and be okay with it, but not super excited), but now with word that his medical checks at Indy were bad and will make him fall into the 2nd or 3rd, I'm not sure who my preference is at #26. I think it's becoming to trade down into the early 2nd and pick up either another 2nd/3rd this year or a 1st/2nd next year. The more mocks I've done, the 30-90 range in this draft is really solid. I like a ton of guys who go in there. We've got 4 picks in that range right now, I'd love to end up with 5 in there plus a couple future picks.

This is more and more becoming my preference too.

I realize im a trade down whore so this isn’t gonna surprise anyone, but unless there is a true blue chipper there, move down and collect more picks.  Rounders 2-4 look nice imo and we could really build a ton of depth, which with an extra game and super bowl aspirations we’ll surely need.

[CBrownsman]

28 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I’d have to go back and look but I guess part of my issue is there isn’t a single “really good” DE prospect in this class imo.

And I get that most players have holes, but most of these guys have GLARING issues.  As in, next to nothing as far as production, seriously questionable athletics, multiple injuries, etc,.  
 

In 5 years if I looked back and saw all of these dudes ended up fizzling out I wouldn’t be shocked.  There’s not one I’d pound the table for at all.

I think the dudes available in R2-3 have just as good of odds of being quality players tbh.

I struggle with some of this also.  And maybe its my love for who we ended up with last year.  There were some athletic issues but I would have pounded the table in the 3rd or 4th round for Curtis Weaver.  If were not taking someone with super athleticism and allow our coaches to teach them pass rush moves (oweh) or give them time to bulk up (Ojulari) I don't know that I would want to take someone later.  I would just want to see what Weaver has!  All that said I think we have the ability to sit someone behind Garrett and Takk and Clowney and only come in as a pass rush specialist at first, and learn how to be complete, and it would be a great role for most of these guys, so the can develop in the position.

Again wouldn't complain if we took a CB or WR in the first though....

[ReggieCamp]

Here's what we won't do:

• We won't trade up to take a RB in the top 3.
• We won't take someone in the 1st we've never even talked to.
• We won't take a damn center in the 1st round.
• We won't trade up to #22 to take a QB.
• We won't draft anyone who's 28 years old.

[JDD]

11 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

This is more and more becoming my preference too.

I realize im a trade down whore so this isn’t gonna surprise anyone, but unless there is a true blue chipper there, move down and collect more picks.  Rounders 2-4 look nice imo and we could really build a ton of depth, which with an extra game and super bowl aspirations we’ll surely need.

Has there been any discussion of expanding the game day roster with the 17th game? Seems like they should add to both the game day and practice squad rosters. 

[JDD]

1 minute ago, ReggieCamp said:

Here's what we won't do:

• We won't trade up to take a RB in the top 3.
• We won't take someone in the 1st we've never even talked to.
• We won't take a damn center in the 1st round.
• We won't trade up to #22 to take a QB.
• We won't draft anyone who's 28 years old.

Please don't pick anyone (especially a QB) at #22

That spot is a curse for the Browns

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4 minutes ago, ReggieCamp said:

Here's what we won't do:

• We won't trade up to take a RB in the top 3.
• We won't take someone in the 1st we've never even talked to.
• We won't take a damn center in the 1st round.
• We won't trade up to #22 to take a QB.
• We won't draft anyone who's 28 years old.

Im perfectly fine drafting a 6x pro bowler in R1, even if he is a center.

Those old regimes can keep the rest of that nonsense though lol

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9 minutes ago, JDD said:

Has there been any discussion of expanding the game day roster with the 17th game? Seems like they should add to both the game day and practice squad rosters. 

Not that I’ve seen, but they need to.  They need to add a second bye too imo.

[JDD]

I was wondering if they should have a break between weeks 15&16 where half the league is off both weeks. This would then keep the same bye situation where it ends at week 13 and would then give everyone time off before the last 2/3 games. Or they would need to set up bye weeks before division games. 

Also can they just add 8 teams to the playoffs and either no bye week or top 2 get a bye. I'd actually vote for no bye week but I don't play the game. 

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3 minutes ago, JDD said:

I was wondering if they should have a break between weeks 15&16 where half the league is off both weeks. This would then keep the same bye situation where it ends at week 13 and would then give everyone time off before the last 2/3 games. Or they would need to set up bye weeks before division games. 
 

this is how they always should have done the byes imo.

now the should just do it like week 5/6 and 13/14.

3 minutes ago, JDD said:

Also can they just add 8 teams to the playoffs and either no bye week or top 2 get a bye. I'd actually vote for no bye week but I don't play the game. 

More byes are better imo, they let teams get healthy.  No one wants to see scrubs play.