N4L Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, JIllg said: For the same reasons, too. Gotta love those feet. I mean, he plays tennis. Obviously that means he can play football as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Rico Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, 49erurtaza said: Speaking of Simms he is on MM pod and he says Jones is better then Matt Ryans and Brees coming out. What am I missing with jones? Are we just clueless with him? He better be Payton Manning brain from day 1. You basically said it. He’s got a Peyton Manning type brain. Not the physical gifts of Peyton which is why the Brees comparison is better. People are lower on him because it’s hard to distinguish special abilities on tape unlike Fields/Lance. Plus he was surrounded by so much talent that it’s easy to chalk his success up to that. His teammates took him over Tua without hesitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1. Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming 2. Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA 3. Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 4. Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville 5. Sam Darnold, QB, USC Looks like this was his final rankings....No clue why he ended up having Jackson #4 after having him #1. Definitely was pressured off that but still, you can argue Allen is the best QB of that class so not looking that bad lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Forge said: This wording made me laugh so hard That's what I got out of the press conference lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Rico Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, SonsofFenris7 said: Yes he is.. he had the college all star team playing for him... his arm strength is average at best and just the same as Jimmy G.. Hell my 5 years olds can outthrow both of them.. You’re right. Arm strength > Accuracy + Decision Making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, J-ALL-DAY said: He had Jackson #4 or Allen #4? Jackson. He did have Allen #1. I do want to give him credit for that...though not as impressive for me given that my love of Josh Allen was known a year in advance LOL (though he did shake me up after that disastrous junior season...I really didn't know what to do with him) But his final rankings (so far as I can tell...I can't find anything dated later). It's one of the reasons I kind of dislike him because pulling out that crap about how he rated Jackson #1 was so disingenuous and misleading. If someone can find published rankings after 4/1/18, let me know, but are the last ones I know of. “I think the quarterback class is a hair overrated.” So says former NFL quarterback Chris Simms, now a Bleacher Reportanalyst. I asked him to rate this class of quarterbacks, in first-round order, and he had some interesting thoughts. His list: 1. Josh Allen, Wyoming 2. Josh Rosen, UCLA 3. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma 4. Lamar Jackson, Louisville 5. Sam Darnold, USC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Uncle_Rico said: You’re right. Arm strength > Accuracy + Decision Making I don't think that there's anything special in Mac's decision making. He benefits a ton from a system that cradles him His pocket work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jimmy G though lol. I mean....that's a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonsofFenris7 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Just now, Uncle_Rico said: You’re right. Arm strength > Accuracy + Decision Making He had Smith, Waddle (when heathy), Mecham, Billingsley.. he just had to put the ball within 5 to 10 yards of them and they would catch it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW21 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Uncle_Rico said: You’re right. Arm strength > Accuracy + Decision Making Fields has arm strength and accuracy. One can argue that Mac needs some work on his decision making as well; like that clip @Forge posted yesterday of him checking down when he had a guy that would have been considered open by NFL standards. We don't need a checkdown artist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Forge said: Jackson. He did have Allen #1. I do want to give him credit for that...though not as impressive for me given that my love of Josh Allen was known a year in advance LOL (though he did shake me up after that disastrous junior season...I really didn't know what to do with him) But his final rankings (so far as I can tell...I can't find anything dated later). It's one of the reasons I kind of dislike him because pulling out that crap about how he rated Jackson #1 was so disingenuous and misleading. If someone can find published rankings after 4/1/18, let me know, but are the last ones I know of. “I think the quarterback class is a hair overrated.” So says former NFL quarterback Chris Simms, now a Bleacher Reportanalyst. I asked him to rate this class of quarterbacks, in first-round order, and he had some interesting thoughts. His list: 1. Josh Allen, Wyoming 2. Josh Rosen, UCLA 3. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma 4. Lamar Jackson, Louisville 5. Sam Darnold, USC Yeah, those were the last I could find as well. He either overthought it with Jackson or got embarrassed of the hate he was receiving and moved him lower...Which is a big no no. At least the last few years he has stayed consistent with his rankings...He did flip Fields and Lance though, but that was the only change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonsofFenris7 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Just now, GW21 said: Fields has arm strength and accuracy. One can argue that Mac needs some work on his decision making as well; like that clip @Forge posted yesterday of him checking down when he had a guy that would have been considered open by NFL standards. We don't need a checkdown artist. We need a playmake not a game manager ala Alex Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Rico Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Just now, Forge said: I don't think that there's anything special in Mac's decision making. He benefits a ton from a system that cradles him His pocket work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jimmy G though lol. I mean....that's a huge difference. Disagree about the decision making. Agree that he benefits from the system but none of the top 5 QBs were in systems that were difficult. Agree about pocket work. Absolutely love that about Mac. Incredible footwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalNiner Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, N4L said: I mean, he plays tennis. Obviously that means he can play football as well How is he with knives? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Uncle_Rico said: Disagree about the decision making. Agree that he benefits from the system but none of the top 5 QBs were in systems that were difficult. Unsustainable rate of rpo / playaction work in the alabama system. Like 56%. People consider clemson's offense college gimmicks and TL still ran that about 10% less. He goes to secondary reads less than 10% of the time (half as much as Fields as charted by draft network), and he's no particularly good when he does it (charted by TDN, PFF, someone else I'm pretty sure). Its possible that he is a good decision maker, but I don't believe that he was consistently forced into situations where he had to show that. Like, I wouldn't say he makes bad decisions. I just honestly don't know. He was super point and click. There's a concern on whether he process and makes decisions, or the system does. If he went to the NFL and was a very good decision maker, it wouldn't surprise me. IF he was a bad one, wouldn't surprise me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW21 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCalNiner said: How is he with knives? How about carrying squirrels around in his mouth. It's a good indicator of his moxy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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