Master of Suspense Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 The media loves to proclaim that Rodgers is some Hail Mary messiah but the fact of the matter is he's only thrown one. A Hail Mary must tie or win a game in the final seconds and must be thrown up for grabs in the end zone. The one against the Giants was at the end of the half and the Packers were already leading by that point. The 4th and 20 pass against Arizona meets none of the criteria and the game tying pass against Arizona was a pass that was thrown to Janis and Janis only. It wasn't up for grabs. Only the Detroit one was actually a Hail Mary. I think what is and isn't a Hail Mary is greatly confused and often plays that aren't Hail Marys are labeled as being Hail Marys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, tribar said: I think what is and isn't a Hail Mary is greatly confused and often plays that aren't Hail Marys are labeled as being Hail Marys. That's a very specific axe to grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadyToThump Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Not quite sure what I'd do without this thread. Very intriguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I think what is and isn't a Hail Mary is a little nit picky and I'm not even sure you're definition is correct. But he does get way too much credit for it IMO. He's an NFL QB. A lot of QBs can throw 60-70 yards into an area. It's much harder to catch that ball with all those players around. And there's probably some emphasis on it in practice that the coaching staff should get some credit for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808sinfour4time Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 10 hours ago, tribar said: A Hail Mary must tie or win a game in the final seconds and must be thrown up for grabs in the end zone. Whose definition is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, 808sinfour4time said: Who's definition is this? Wikipedia (I know, I know) lists it as "a very long forward pass, made in desperation with only a small chance of success". "Originally meaning any sort of desperation play, a "Hail Mary" gradually came to denote a long, low-probability pass attempted at the end of a half when a team is too far from the end zone to execute a more conventional play, implying that it would take divine intervention for the play to succeed. For more than forty years, use of the term was largely confined to Notre Dame and other Catholic universities." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808sinfour4time Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 45 minutes ago, cddolphin said: Wikipedia (I know, I know) lists it as "a very long forward pass, made in desperation with only a small chance of success". "Originally meaning any sort of desperation play, a "Hail Mary" gradually came to denote a long, low-probability pass attempted at the end of a half when a team is too far from the end zone to execute a more conventional play, implying that it would take divine intervention for the play to succeed. For more than forty years, use of the term was largely confined to Notre Dame and other Catholic universities." Well, that Wikipedia language makes more sense to me than anything including "must win or tie," but I'm willing to consider the source of tribar's definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 The king in the north has died for this season, he's not going to do anymore hailmarys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 I just think Hail Mary's even with great precision are at least 80% luck and more on the positioning of the receivers and defenders than anything the QB has to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Hail Mary has nothing to do with being at the end of the game. It's where a WR streaks and the QB throws it to that guy with low probability. As for Rodgers, the guy isn't "praised" because of Hail Marys. Those are mostly luck. He's praised because he's arguably the most talented QB to ever play in the NFL and perhaps the best pure passer to ever play as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 44 minutes ago, lancerman said: I just think Hail Mary's even with great precision are at least 80% luck and more on the positioning of the receivers and defenders than anything the QB has to do with it. there's an art to throwing it properly as well. gotta get it HIGH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, lancerman said: I just think Hail Mary's even with great precision are at least 80% luck and more on the positioning of the receivers and defenders than anything the QB has to do with it. Agreed. The Packers just find themselves in the position a lot. Whether it’s Richard Rodgers and Jeff Janis, or Golden Tate and Hakeem Nicks. They’ve been on both ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Well, Hundley may have to give it a go, a baptism of fire if you will... Maybe he ought to alter-nate between receivers... Hopefully the receivers can get in good pewsitions... I'll get my coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 On 10/20/2017 at 12:16 PM, 808sinfour4time said: Whose definition is this? The OP. It would have been a bit more accurate if he would have said game-winning hail mary. You can have a hail mary that doesn't happen at the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 On 20/10/2017 at 5:45 PM, tribar said: The media loves to proclaim that Rodgers is some Hail Mary messiah but the fact of the matter is he's only thrown one. A Hail Mary must tie or win a game in the final seconds and must be thrown up for grabs in the end zone. The one against the Giants was at the end of the half and the Packers were already leading by that point. The 4th and 20 pass against Arizona meets none of the criteria and the game tying pass against Arizona was a pass that was thrown to Janis and Janis only. It wasn't up for grabs. Only the Detroit one was actually a Hail Mary. I think what is and isn't a Hail Mary is greatly confused and often plays that aren't Hail Marys are labeled as being Hail Marys. In terms of the media, they'd cease to exist if they couldn't get their greasy chops on gimmicks like this. Top 100, Miracle on whatever night, supercam, GOAT this GOAT that etc etc. People lap it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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