1ForTheThumb Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 8:23 PM, Starless said: If Jones is starting week 1, something has gone very wrong. You mean like Belichick finally got around to watching Cam Newtons tape from last season? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, 1ForTheThumb said: You mean like Belichick finally got around to watching Cam Newtons tape from last season? He has his dog relay it to him, the translations can take some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ForTheThumb Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: He has his dog relay it to him, the translations can take some time. Took some time to sniff those 5 yard missiles into the dirt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, 1ForTheThumb said: Took some time to sniff those 5 yard missiles into the dirt out. 4 legs can only dig so deep so fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Dalan162 said: I read a lot about Mac Jones this weekend and there’s one thing that jumps to me. Mac is criticized for his lack of mobility and for playing for a stacked team. However, this did not seem to affect Tua’s stock last year and the guy was way more fragile. So, would you guys say that Tua was a better prospect than Jones ? Well, let's leave out the mobility part because Tua is mobile The second part - I agree! I don't know why Tua didn't get labelled with that same thing and his team was EVEN BETTER! Add these plus Jeudy and Ruggs FFS. For some reason Tua was considered a better prospect, but Mac's numbers are far better with a slightly lesser team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalan162 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Well, let's leave out the mobility part because Tua is mobile The second part - I agree! I don't know why Tua didn't get labelled with that same thing and his team was EVEN BETTER! Add these plus Jeudy and Ruggs FFS. For some reason Tua was considered a better prospect, but Mac's numbers are far better with a slightly lesser team I haven’t watched them enough to counter your argument, but I was under the impression that Tua, while not a statue, is not a dual threat QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimmage Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Tua isn't nearly as "athletic" as people make him out to be.. just like Mac Jones isn't nearly as "statuesque" as people make him out to be. For instance: Tua 40 time: 4.90 Mac 40 time: 4.83 ( Everyone was surprised by how quickly he ran it) Tua appears to be in great athletic shape.. Mac on the other hand.. looks like this: Put Mac through a year of really strict strength and conditioning.. and he could get a bit quicker and stronger, only helping his case to being a good QB in this league. I think more than likely he sits at minimum half this year if not all of it.. I am REALLY interested in seeing how he looks physically a year from now. Mac had quite a few roll outs where he did just fine getting outside of the pocket and throwing on the run.. you aren't ever going to design runs like they did with Cam for him.. but he's much more mobile than say Kyle Trask. If you have your entire defense deep on a 3rd and 5, i'm sure he would be capable of getting those yards.. he isn't going to break it for 20 but he could get you the first down. The main thing is his mentality.. he doesn't want to run, you see him throw it away instead of run.. if his coach wanted him to run for a few yards he would do it. To me, I would much rather my QB stay healthy than grab me 3-4 extra yards ( unless we are talking playoffs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt2402 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 4:31 PM, Starless said: That would absolutely not entail "pulling a Brady" lol Did Brady grab the job after Bledsoe went down and never give it back? That's all that was meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt2402 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 hours ago, 1ForTheThumb said: You mean like Belichick finally got around to watching Cam Newtons tape from last season? Getting COVID and not having any weapons are excuses to a point. But he never looked like he had a grip on the offense, and you could tell how much McDaniels simplified everything throughout the year. I'm not sure that's something a "normal" offseason fixes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, dhunt2402 said: Did Brady grab the job after Bledsoe went down and never give it back? That's all that was meant. Did the Patriots just give Cam Newton the biggest contract in NFL history? Is Jones a 6th round pick with no expectations whatsoever riding on him? "Pulling a Brady" requires a bit more than just replacing a guy who went down with an injury. Sorry to be nitpicky but that characterization just bugged me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt2402 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Just now, Starless said: Did the Patriots just give Cam Newton the biggest contract in NFL history? Is Jones a 6th round pick with no expectations whatsoever riding on him? "Pulling a Brady" requires a bit more than just replacing a guy who went down with an injury. Sorry to be nitpicky but that characterization just bugged me. Sure it was a simplification, but if you really want to dissect it Bledsoe was never Belichick's guy and he was pretty close to benching Drew on merit by all accounts. Really the big difference is the gigantic balls on Belichick staking his middling head coaching career on a kid while publicly snubbing the owner's golden boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, dhunt2402 said: Sure it was a simplification, but if you really want to dissect it Bledsoe was never Belichick's guy I wonder what the process was like in deciding to give him the first 9-digit deal in league history... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt2402 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Starless said: I wonder what the process was like in deciding to give him the first 9-digit deal in league history... It's almost like they structured that 9-digit deal to let them trade him for little/no cap hit only 1 year in 🤷♂️ Without any knowledge of the inner workings, that was very likely a Kraft-driven deal, with Belichick OKing it as long as he had a reasonable out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhunt2402 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 It ended up being a 1 year $11.4M deal from the team's side - so at least it hit eight figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Crimmage said: Tua isn't nearly as "athletic" as people make him out to be.. just like Mac Jones isn't nearly as "statuesque" as people make him out to be. For instance: Tua 40 time: 4.90 Mac 40 time: 4.83 ( Everyone was surprised by how quickly he ran it) Tua appears to be in great athletic shape.. Mac on the other hand.. looks like this: Put Mac through a year of really strict strength and conditioning.. and he could get a bit quicker and stronger, only helping his case to being a good QB in this league. I think more than likely he sits at minimum half this year if not all of it.. I am REALLY interested in seeing how he looks physically a year from now. Mac had quite a few roll outs where he did just fine getting outside of the pocket and throwing on the run.. you aren't ever going to design runs like they did with Cam for him.. but he's much more mobile than say Kyle Trask. If you have your entire defense deep on a 3rd and 5, i'm sure he would be capable of getting those yards.. he isn't going to break it for 20 but he could get you the first down. The main thing is his mentality.. he doesn't want to run, you see him throw it away instead of run.. if his coach wanted him to run for a few yards he would do it. To me, I would much rather my QB stay healthy than grab me 3-4 extra yards ( unless we are talking playoffs). Mac was better at Bama with worse weapons. Tua isn't good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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