CaliforniaKid7 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, AutumnWind said: So maybe thatâs just it. Mayock and Gruden get off on defying all the fans, writers, draft analysts, thinking theyâre smarter than everyone else. Itâs all about âgetting their guy,â as several of you guys have already stated. Other than getting lucky with Crosby, and making a no brainer with Jacobs, what kinda draft chops have these two morons exhibited. Letâs see: Ferrel - huge reach for an average starter with limited athleticism Abrams - just flat out horrible in coverage, makes the occasional big stop, doesnât wrap up, most likely player to hurt himself on any given play Ruggs - again, conventional wisdom told you to take a true #1 in Lamb, Jeudy, or Jefferson, and instead you choose the next James Jett, Johnny Lee Higgins, gimmicky speed turd that probably wonât ever top 45 catches in a season Arnette - another big reach for a guy that allowed a 78% completion rate Nick Nelson - just sucks Muse, PJ Hall, Bowden, Key - all top 100 picks that are just terrible Another 8-8 season, if weâre lucky.  Look at the bright side, at least we didnât trade up to take Leatherwood. These posts always crack me up. Mayock and Gruden have no been great thatâs for sure but you just named the players theyâve missed on. You could do this same exact post for all 32 GMs in the nfl. You name Crosby and Mullen but forget about Moreau and Renfrow. Plus Simpson and Robertson id still put money on them being positive picks. Youâre not even giving them a chance to develop. The Ruggs hate is crazy at this point. Itâs been one damn year. I hope he explodes and you eat your words but just like last year everyone that says theyâre done with this team will be crawling back and complaining like usual. Same old shtick. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Roninho said: If he is similar to Miller and it works out we have LT & RT fixed for the next 5+ years Miller was absolutely horrible as a rookie though so lets pray he can at least be average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 46 minutes ago, Dessie said: How can you say Leatherwood would have been there at #48, you donât know that and nobody does. You said earlier in the week you would take Darrisaw so how can you complain about the position taken? I get its a frustrating pick but people are spinning their position to suit atm.   >60% chance of being available at 48 per their analytics last night for one. More to the point, Mayock mentioned they could have traded down, but needed a tackle. Strike 2 as they could have gotten him much later in round 1. Lastly, even if he was off the board at 48, there would be a tackle there of similar stature. All the way around.... big reach, boring safe pick that will move the needle marginally in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaKid7 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 48 minutes ago, Dessie said: How can you complain about the value of the pick and then suggest Jenkins as who we should have taken when he hasnât been taken yet? Literally makes no sense, as it apparent that would have been a reach đ¤Śââď¸ Thereâs no point. They donât hate the pick they hate they playing arm chair GM didnât work out for them. Moehrig and JOK wouldâve been better picks with the same logic but all 32 teams passed on them as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Oline has a 60% hit rate in round 1. LWood will likely be a solid, but unspectacular draft pick ala Kolton Miller. Comparing him to Brandon Parker is baseless nonsense. The problem is, the defense is still a disaster. There were at least 4 players who could have had a major impact on the defense at 17. One is still out there in JOK who I would move up to take. Or they are relegated to the next reach at FS where you won't find an impact playmaker who will make a change desperately needed to the defense. It's almost ridiculous how inside their own box Gruden/Mayock and staff are. They are trying to zig while the other zag and it's simply not a winning formula. It honestly would not shock me to see them take Jackson Carmon, the Clemson G at 48. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, big_palooka said: Oline has a 60% hit rate in round 1. LWood will likely be a solid, but unspectacular draft pick ala Kolton Miller. Comparing him to Brandon Parker is baseless nonsense. The problem is, the defense is still a disaster. There were at least 4 players who could have had a major impact on the defense at 17. One is still out there in JOK who I would move up to take. Or they are relegated to the next reach at FS where you won't find an impact playmaker who will make a change desperately needed to the defense. It's almost ridiculous how inside their own box Gruden/Mayock and staff are. They are trying to zig while the other zag and it's simply not a winning formula. It honestly would not shock me to see them take Jackson Carmon, the Clemson G at 48. Who would you pick at 17 given the circumstances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massraider Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Nothing wrong with the player. But when your team prefers a guy you know is lower than consensus, you gain more capital, and trade back.  Ruggs, Arnette, Leatherwood, there were no trade downs available? I don't believe that. Trade down, get another 3rd and 4th, and take your guy.  Mayock and Gruden have zero clue what other teams are thinking, they think everyone is out to get their guy, who no one ranks where thy take him.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) Analysis: I projected Leatherwood to go in the first round a month ago, so it wasn't surprising that his name came off the board on Thursday night. I did not expect him to picked when Teven Jenkins (Oklahoma State) and Christian Darrisaw (Virginia Tech) were still on the board, though. Leatherwood is a first-round value because of his intelligence, versatility and toughness. He'll play in the league for many years, and you won't have to worry about his maturity and work ethic. Just plug him in at tackle or guard and let him do his thing. We'll see in time if Darrisaw or Jenkins turn out to be better players in the end. Edited April 30, 2021 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 10 hours ago, BayRaider said: Didnât you make the same post after 2019? Wouldn't be surprised if I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, big_palooka said: It's almost ridiculous how inside their own box Gruden/Mayock and staff are. They are trying to zig while the other zag and it's simply not a winning formula. I thought we had a guy in Jerryd Jones-Smith at RT, why did Mayock lie like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, big_palooka said: >60% chance of being available at 48 per their analytics last night for one. More to the point, Mayock mentioned they could have traded down, but needed a tackle. Strike 2 as they could have gotten him much later in round 1. Lastly, even if he was off the board at 48, there would be a tackle there of similar stature. All the way around.... big reach, boring safe pick that will move the needle marginally in 2021. Only thing with that though is that JOK Tevin Jenkins and Azeez Moehring shouldnât be on the board day 2 based on what most said. And Dare saw shouldnât have been available when we picked apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: Leatherwood played RT? That's not the point the point is people assume if you draft a O-lineman he's gonna play where you want ,what if that doesn't want to just like Brown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, big_palooka said: The problem is, the defense is still a disaster. There were at least 4 players who could have had a major impact on the defense at 17. One is still out there in JOK who I would move up to take. So you won't aknowledge you were way off on his value? Every team passed on him, that should tell you something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, big_palooka said: More to the point, Mayock mentioned they could have traded down, but needed a tackle. Strike 2 as they could have gotten him much later in round 1. The fact that Mayock is consistently defending his picks and why they didn't trade down vs celebrating that we landed a good player tells you all you need to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: The fact that Mayock is consistently defending his picks and why they didn't trade down vs celebrating that we landed a good player tells you all you need to know. Lol that part I agree with. But who would you have drafted at 17 given the circumstances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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