drfrey13 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: Oh christ that is scary to hear. I would say there is a good chance that we were the only team with that take. I have not seen anything from any individual that is even close to this opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Miller gave up two sacks last year. I don’t know where you rank that. I wonder how many our other linemen gave up. Carr has saved our oline in the sack department with his quick release for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BayRaider Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: Oh christ that is scary to hear. This is legit scary as hell. Mike, Jon, Cable would of been the only three guys on the planet with Leatherwood ahead of Sewell. 35 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: See that’s the thing: after analyzing the pick I came to the conclusion that he doesn’t take the backseat to any tackle athletically in the draft(very similar to Colton Miller). Tom cable believes that he can mold him. No sane person would have Leatherwood ranked above Sewell or Slater. Stop defending that take. Defending him at 17 is one thing, but defending him being OT1 on Mayock and Grudens board is not defendable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I wonder how many our other linemen gave up. Carr has saved our oline in the sack department with his quick release for a while now. LOL we can’t do that. We can’t rationalize why Miller (who played Myles Garrett Joey Bosa twice Melvin Ingram twice Bradley Chubb twice Brian Burns Cameron Jordan Trey Henderson Jason Pierre Paul Shaq Barrett Jerry Hughes Frank Clark twice) only gave up two sacks because Derek Carr has a quick release lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, BayRaider said: This is legit scary as hell. Mike, Jon, Cable would of been the only three guys on the planet with Leatherwood ahead of Sewell. No sane person would have Leatherwood ranked above Sewell or Slater. Stop defending that take. Defending him at 17 is one thing, but defending him being OT1 on Mayock and Grudens board is not defendable. Don’t get sucked into this. They didn’t think Leatherwood was better than Sewell. It’s just BS. If someone from the team said that - it’s to justify the pick - if it came from outside the team, it’s just the media having fun. The social media age... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, BayRaider said: This is legit scary as hell. Mike, Jon, Cable would of been the only three guys on the planet with Leatherwood ahead of Sewell. No sane person would have Leatherwood ranked above Sewell or Slater. Stop defending that take. Defending him at 17 is one thing, but defending him being OT1 on Mayock and Grudens board is not defendable. Should post those quotes in the general forum. Can't forget the one with Miller being the #2 player in 2018. To go along with all the other 1st round reaches. Miller was not a big deal but as the #2 player you got to be kidding me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, BayRaider said: This is legit scary as hell. Mike, Jon, Cable would of been the only three guys on the planet with Leatherwood ahead of Sewell. No sane person would have Leatherwood ranked above Sewell or Slater. Stop defending that take. Defending him at 17 is one thing, but defending him being OT1 on Mayock and Grudens board is not defendable. Again, I remember that was a hot topic when Mike McGlinchey who was considered One of the safest pics of that draft and the best offensive tackles in the draft was said to be lower than Kolton Miller on the raiders board. We all see how that worked out now. When it comes down to it this comes down to how you view cable as an offensive line coach. If you don’t think he’s a good offense of line coach this is going to seem like one of the stupidest moves ever if you think he is a good offensive line coach Then it actually makes sense given his measurable’s and his testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, reddevil said: If someone from the team said that - it’s to justify the pick - It doesn’t defend the pick though, it makes them sound like morons if he was OT1. At least say he was OT3 on your board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Just now, BayRaider said: It doesn’t defend the pick though, it makes them sound like morons if he was OT1. At least say he was OT3 on your board. Why would the team say that (if it actually came from the team anyway). Teams say stuff like this all the time. It’s to validate the pick and to boost the players confidence. Nothing to see here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: Again, I remember that was a hot topic when Mike McGlinchey who was considered One of the safest pics of that draft and the best offensive tackles in the draft was said to be lower than Kolton Miller on the raiders board. We all see how that worked out now. When it comes down to it this comes down to how you view cable as an offensive line coach. If you don’t think he’s a good offense of line coach this is going to seem like one of the stupidest moves ever if you think he is a good offensive line coach Then it actually makes sense given his measurable’s and his testing. McG isn’t half the prospect Sewell is. Sewell is one of the best OT’s to come out in the past several years. It doesn’t bother you that the Raiders are alone on these “takes”? Kolton Miller was also ranked in the 27-28 range and a universal 1st Round while McG was ranked 13-14. Wasn’t a huge difference. Sewell was OT1 on everyones board and ranked from 2-6. While Leatherwood was universally ranked 45-65 with a 2nd Round Grade. Miller was a reach, but only slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: Oh christ that is scary to hear. Normally I would hand wave away a report like this as conjecture, but considering this is the same staff that apparently had Ferrell and Nick Bosa neck and neck--completely plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaKid7 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Just now, Rich7sena said: Normally I would hand wave away a report like this as conjecture, but considering this is the same staff that apparently had Ferrell and Nick Bosa neck and neck--completely plausible. The Ferrell/Bosa thing I've never quite understood. People actually think they would've taken Ferrell if Bosa was available? Please. What do you want the FO to say? Yeah we loved the guy that we didn't even have the chance to take so much more than the guy we actually took at 4. You hype up the guy you draft at all costs. Not defending the Ferrell pick but we didn't even have a chance at Bosa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BayRaider said: McG isn’t half the prospect Sewell is. Sewell is one of the best OT’s to come out in the past several years. It doesn’t bother you that the Raiders are alone on these “takes”? Kolton Miller was also ranked in the 27-28 range and a universal 1st Round while McG was ranked 13-14. Wasn’t a huge difference. Sewell was OT1 on everyones board and ranked from 2-6. While Leatherwood was universally ranked 45-65 with a 2nd Round Grade. Miller was a reach, but only slightly. Trueblood was a second-round pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, and Miller could go in the same frame this year. In Round 2, there are a lot of potential homes for Miller. Joe Thomas retired, and the Browns will need a new starter at left tackle, so it could be possible they would think of Miller with one of their second-round picks. A few picks later, Denver could use more offensive line help. The Broncos could bookend Garett Bolles with Miller on the right side. Tampa Bay probably will address more pressing needs, but the Bucs could use a left tackle upgrade. If they took Miller, they could move Donovan Smith to right tackle or guard. The Dolphins need help on the line and might not keep Ja'Wuan James for the long term. Miami could draft Miller in the second round of the 2018 NFL Draft and start him out at guard. If James isn't in the long-term plans, then Miller could move to right tackle to form a tandem with Laremy Tunsil. The Cardinals' offensive line was a mess in 2017. If Arizona takes a quarterback in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft, Miller makes a lot of sense for the organization as an offensive line upgrade in Round 2. Baltimore could use an upgrade at right tackle, so pairing Miller and Ronnie Stanley could make sense for the Ravens. Even after trading for Cordy Glenn, Cincinnati could look to do more to improve its offensive line, so Miller could be in play for the Bengals at right tackle. If they draft Miller, they could move Cedric Ogbuehi inside to guard. https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018kmiller.php OVERALL Kolton Miller needs to be developed on the go. He isn't a plug-and-play left tackle and may end up at right tackle. He does bring technique, size and athleticism, and that's good enough to get a look late in the first round. GRADE: 6.99 (Round 2) per bleacher report Projection: Mid second round Bottom Line It is a deep draft for offensive linemen, so this is a pick for a team based on Miller’s potential. We purposely did not list him as a left tackle because his chances of going in the mid second round, or earlier, are based on his ability to play right tackle sooner and perhaps learn better left tackle technique down the road. While he has 13 games of experience at left tackle, and 10 at right tackle, his left tackle performance is not going to make him a high draft pick. His body frame, physical ability, and what he showed at the Combine will improve his status. His game film over three years shows a bit of an up and down ride, so a team is going to draft him with the confidence their offensive line coach can take the time the mold the high-end clay into what they need two to three years down the road. https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2018/03/09/kolton-miller-2018-nfl-draft-profile/ https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/4/24/17036580/kolton-miller-value-at-right-spot-not-round-1-nfl-draft-2018-offensive-tackle-ucla read the title^ Not a slight reach. It’s easy to forget now in hindsight now that Colton Miller is a paid left tackle that a lot of people didn’t even consider him a first round pick and we picked him at 15(2 spots higher than 17) Edited May 1, 2021 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: LOL we can’t do that. We can’t rationalize why Miller (who played Myles Garrett Joey Bosa twice Melvin Ingram twice Bradley Chubb twice Brian Burns Cameron Jordan Trey Henderson Jason Pierre Paul Shaq Barrett Jerry Hughes Frank Clark twice) only gave up two sacks because Derek Carr has a quick release lol Even @Frankie2Gunzagrees about carrs quick release making the oline look better than they really are but anyways how many sacks did our rt’s give up? Can we compare that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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