RaidersAreOne Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 I'm willing to give Rod the benefit of the doubt for last year. He has a great track record and one covid riddled season shouldn't make us completely give up. Maxx had alcohol issues, Ferrell was on and off hurt, our interior lacked talent and our secondary didn't offer much help either. If he sucks again I'm all for him getting canned next year and Bradley bringing in his own guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: I'm willing to give Rod the benefit of the doubt for last year. He has a great track record and one covid riddled season shouldn't make us completely give up. Maxx had alcohol issues, Ferrell was on and off hurt, our interior lacked talent and our secondary didn't offer much help either. If he sucks again I'm all for him getting canned next year and Bradley bringing in his own guy Max Celebrated 1 year sober MArch 17th, so It wouldnt have effected him last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: Max Celebrated 1 year sober MArch 17th, so It wouldnt have effected him last year. Interesting. I thought he mentioned that as a reason he didn't think he performed well. I'll have to go back and see what he said. Regardless I've been hard on Maxx recently and said he should be nothing more than a rotational rusher right now. Yannick and Ferrell on the edge with Maxx and Koonce rotating in on rushing downs. Not horrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Koonce is just a poor man's Arden Key _________________________________________ Change my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Koonce is just a poor man's Arden Key _________________________________________ Change my mind he looks like he has more burst than Key. doesn't have Key's length, and definitely not the same pedigree. Key at the NFL level provided literally nothing, so it wouldnt be a high bar to clear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 6 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said: I'm willing to give Rod the benefit of the doubt for last year. He has a great track record and one covid riddled season shouldn't make us completely give up. Maxx had alcohol issues, Ferrell was on and off hurt, our interior lacked talent and our secondary didn't offer much help either. If he sucks again I'm all for him getting canned next year and Bradley bringing in his own guy Maxx had injury issues. I believe he had surgery right after the season ended. I'm not counting out a day 3 pick with 17 sacks in his first two seasons. The guy is a home run hit no matter how you look at it. That kind of production leads his class from what I can recall. Maxx is my favorite pick from that draft along with Renfrow. Moreau is my third and I think he needs more playing time. Jacobs is 4th due to where he was drafted and his drop in YPC after last season. Those 4 IMO made that a solid draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) If Koonce touches the QB once then he would have the same level of production then Arden Key Edited May 5, 2021 by agarcia34 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Just now, agarcia34 said: If Koonce touches the QB once they he would have the same level of production then Arden Key He would have to touch his facemask. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 6 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said: Interesting. I thought he mentioned that as a reason he didn't think he performed well. I'll have to go back and see what he said. Regardless I've been hard on Maxx recently and said he should be nothing more than a rotational rusher right now. Yannick and Ferrell on the edge with Maxx and Koonce rotating in on rushing downs. Not horrible. Not just that. He was injured for most of the year. I looked into it. Was pretty gnarly stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a huge year across from Yannick this year. I think Nassib will factor in quite a bit as as base end on run downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 5 hours ago, big_palooka said: Koonce is just a poor man's Arden Key _________________________________________ Change my mind Key was out of football for a year and had horrible testing numbers leading into the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Key lacked the burst/bend. He had 3 years to do something, and didn't do much.. IDK about Koonce, but next man up. I trust Bradley judgement over Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 32 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Key lacked the burst/bend. He had 3 years to do something, and didn't do much.. IDK about Koonce, but next man up. I trust Bradley judgement over Paul. I think the biggest issues with Key were that he lacked the burst/bend to be an explosive power rusher but also lacked the power to win with strength. Koonce seems to be a twitchy, bendy guy that can win with strength, length or speed off the edge. He also seems to have a pretty good arsenal of pass rushing moves from the little bit of film that I've seen from him. DJ and Mayock both compared him to Yannick interestingly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 hours ago, NYRaider said: I think the biggest issues with Key were that he lacked the burst/bend to be an explosive power rusher but also lacked the power to win with strength. Koonce seems to be a twitchy, bendy guy that can win with strength, length or speed off the edge. He also seems to have a pretty good arsenal of pass rushing moves from the little bit of film that I've seen from him. DJ and Mayock both compared him to Yannick interestingly enough.  To me the best part about Koonce is that he'll get to sit for a year while he practices and gains muscle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 9 hours ago, big_palooka said: Koonce is just a poor man's Arden Key _________________________________________ Change my mind Key ran a 4.8 and less weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 7 hours ago, NYRaider said: I think the biggest issues with Key were that he lacked the burst/bend to be an explosive power rusher but also lacked the power to win with strength. Koonce seems to be a twitchy, bendy guy that can win with strength, length or speed off the edge. He also seems to have a pretty good arsenal of pass rushing moves from the little bit of film that I've seen from him. DJ and Mayock both compared him to Yannick interestingly enough. Key was plenty bendy enough IMO. I feel it was more his burst and converting speed into power. He was easily just guided away from the QB. And when he got nearby, he just couldnât finish. Koonce is an impossible projection. There is no way of knowing if the moves he successfully used at Buffalo are transferable to a higher level. His physical and technical traits look great against his opponents in college - but we wonât know whether he can do it until he plays against pros. I like picks like this. Try and bring in some guys that have shown they can make plays and have traits. This defense needs playmakers so to get them, you have to take some risks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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