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Day 3 discussion 2021 NFL Draft

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Time for a quick poll.  

24 members have voted

  1. 1. Do we make all 6 picks today?

    • Yes
      1
    • No, we trade up at least once
      8
    • No, we trade out of 2021 at least once, banking picks for next year.
      9
    • No, we trade up AND trade out
      6

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DizzyDean

DizzyDean

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5 minutes ago, brownie man said:

Chubb is not going anywhere we can bet on that 

We can bet that we are a moneyball team.  We won’t pay a rb $15 million a year to average 6 or 7 yards more per game than a $3 million a year RB.

There are low round pick and even undrafted RBs near the top of the league in backs every single year.

Giving Chubb $15 million a year likely would mean Teller walks.  A high quality guard is much harder to find.  Replacing Teller with a turnstile not only negates that extra 6 or 7 yards a game but adds much more pressure and risk to Baker.

Also, aren’t you that guy that said I was “gonna look real bad” for my accurate assessment of Kizer when we drafted him?

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brownie man

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Just now, DizzyDean said:

 

Also, aren’t you that guy that said I was “gonna look real bad” for my accurate assessment of Kizer when we drafted him?

At the end of the day we drafted Kizer. Hue ruined him it is what it is 

We’ll resign Chubb I’m sure of it 

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DizzyDean

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1 minute ago, brownie man said:

At the end of the day we drafted Kizer. Hue ruined him it is what it is 

We’ll resign Chubb I’m sure of it 

No, Kizer was exactly what I said he was.  Hue didn’t ruin him in Green Bay.  Not even sure he hit a chance with another team.  He had zero accuracy, he processed extremely slowly, and just didn’t have the mental capacity for the NFL.  He was big, had a strong arm, threw a nice ball, but you never knew where that ball would go or if he would get it off anywhere near on time.

Regarding Chubb, I love him.  What’s not to love, extremely productive, humble, leaves it all on the field.  But in a league with a salary cap, resource allocation is very important.  Paying a RB a market setting contract is not smart resource allocation.

In my opinion the only reason that he remains on the team for 2021 is because we are chasing a Lombardi.  If we were not serious about hoisting the trip hey this year I believe that the team would use Chubb to Hershel Walker a team out of a kings ransom in trade.

instead, we get the ring, or do our best to do so, then let him walk, and get a comp pick in the following draft.

We allocate big contracts for QB, OLine, pass rusher, and secondary.

We did pay Hooper, but he was vital to the transition and an exception to the rule.  I think he is gone after 2022, maybe sooner.

We are taking our shot right now.  This year.  We will resign Baker Teller and Ward after this year if not sooner.  We won’t have the cap space for much else.

We will also see OBJ gone after this year.

2 that I hate the thought of losing that I coukd see go soon too are Landry and Bitonio.  Bitonio because of age combined with contract.

 

 

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NudeTayne

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Top ranked players remaining, some big surprises:

Player Status Position Team Class Grade
SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
- WR - r-Senior 6.26
MICHIGAN STATE
- CB - r-Junior 6.23
VIRGINIA
- EDGE - Senior 6.22
ALABAMA
- LB - Senior 6.21
PENN STATE
- C - r-Senior 6.16
FLORIDA STATE
- WR - r-Junior 6.15
ALABAMA-BIRMINGHAM
- WR - r-Senior 6.14
- CB - Senior 6.14
OREGON STATE
- RB - Junior 6.12
- EDGE - Senior 6.10
TEXAS A&M
- G - Senior 6.10
ILLINOIS STATE
- SAF - r-Senior 6.00
UCF
- WR - r-Senior 6.00
GRAMBLING STATE
- G - Senior 6.00
SOUTH ALABAMA
- WR - r-Senior 6.00
MIAMI (FLA.)
- K - r-Senior 5.99
BUFFALO
- RB - Junior 5.98
LOUISVILLE
- RB - r-Sophomore 5.98
FLORIDA STATE
- DT - Senior 5.96
TIFFIN UNIVERSITY
- RB - r-Senior 5.96
TENNESSEE
- CB - Junior 5.95
BRIGHAM YOUNG
- DT - Senior 5.94
GEORGIA
- CB - Senior 5.93
MASSACHUSETTS
- OT - r-Senior 5.92
SYRACUSE
- SAF - Junior 5.90
CINCINNATI
- P - Senior 5.90
OKLAHOMA STATE
- LB - r-Senior 5.90
- DE - r-Senior 5.90
- SAF - r-Sophomore 5.89
PENN STATE
- EDGE - r-Senior 5.89
VIRGINIA
- TE - Senior 5.89
NORTH CAROLINA CENTRAL
- CB - Senior 5.89
KANSAS STATE
- DE - r-Junior 5.88
MISSISSIPPI STATE
- RB - Senior 5.88
CINCINNATI
- SAF - r-Senior 5.87
INDIANA
- WR - Senior 5.87
- OT - r-Senior 5.87
- WR - r-Senior 5.87
WAKE FOREST
- WR - r-Junior 5.86
NOTRE DAME
- WR - r-Senior 5.86
NEW MEXICO
- G - r-Senior 5.85
KENTUCKY
- P - Senior 5.85
TEXAS TECH
- G - r-Junior 5.85
MISSISSIPPI
- TE - r-Senior 5.84
- RB - Senior 5.84
SOUTH CAROLINA
- G - r-Senior 5.82
PENN STATE
- G - r-Senior 5.82
- TE - r-Senior 5.81
OKLAHOMA STATE
- WR - r-Senior 5.80
FLORIDA
- SAF - Senior 5.80
WAKE FOREST
- QB - r-Senior 5.80
MARSHALL
- RB - r-Junior 5.80
MICHIGAN STATE
- DT - r-Senior 5.80
- FB - Senior 5.80
- WR - r-Senior 5.69
MISSISSIPPI STATE
- LB - r-Senior 5.69
WEST VIRGINIA
- DT - Senior 5.69
- LB - Senior 5.69
KENT STATE
- WR - Junior 5.69
KENTUCKY
- DT - r-Senior 5.69
ILLINOIS STATE
- OT - r-Senior 5.69
BRIGHAM YOUNG
- G - r-Senior 5.69
- CB - Junior 5.69
MARYLAND
- RB - r-Senior 5.69
- DT - r-Senior 5.69
GEORGIA
- SAF - Senior 5.68
LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE
- RB - r-Senior 5.68
MISSISSIPPI STATE
- G - r-Senior 5.68
KANSAS STATE
- CB - r-Senior 5.68
KANSAS STATE
- TE - r-Senior 5.68
KENTUCKY
- C - r-Senior 5.68
GEORGIA
- DE - Senior 5.68
NICHOLLS STATE
- WR - Senior 5.68
OHIO STATE
- DE - r-Senior 5.68
ALABAMA-BIRMINGHAM
- RB - Senior 5.68
BUFFALO
- G - r-Senior 5.68
- WR - Senior 5.67
MISSOURI WESTERN STATE
- CB - r-Senior 5.67
NEBRASKA
- TE - r-Senior 5.67
MISSOURI
- WR - r-Senior 5.67
- G - r-Senior 5.67
BRIGHAM YOUNG
- WR - Junior 5.66
TEXAS A&M
- C - r-Senior 5.66
FLORIDA ATLANTIC
- LB - r-Senior 5.66
CHARLESTON (WV)
- DT - r-Senior 5.65
NORTH CAROLINA A&T
- CB - Senior 5.65
NOTRE DAME
- G - r-Senior 5.65
INDIANA
- DT - r-Senior 5.65
SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
- SAF - r-Senior 5.65
ARKANSAS
- QB - r-Senior 5.65
CHARLOTTE
- SAF - r-Senior 5.65
ARKANSAS STATE
- DT - r-Senior 5.63
MISSISSIPPI STATE
- G - r-Senior 5.63
OREGON STATE
- CB - Senior 5.63
EASTERN KENTUCKY
- WR - r-Senior 5.63
WISCONSIN
- FB - r-Senior 5.62
GEORGIA TECH
- P - Senior 5.62
NEBRASKA
- G - r-Senior 5.62
MICHIGAN
- TE - r-Senior 5.62
- RB - r-Senior 5.61
 
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35 minutes ago, DizzyDean said:

We can bet that we are a moneyball team.  We won’t pay a rb $15 million a year to average 6 or 7 yards more per game than a $3 million a year RB.

There are low round pick and even undrafted RBs near the top of the league in backs every single year.

Giving Chubb $15 million a year likely would mean Teller walks.  A high quality guard is much harder to find.  Replacing Teller with a turnstile not only negates that extra 6 or 7 yards a game but adds much more pressure and risk to Baker.

Also, aren’t you that guy that said I was “gonna look real bad” for my accurate assessment of Kizer when we drafted him?

15 million a year for a hof a steal

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NudeTayne

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Don't mind me, goldy.

16 minutes ago, goldfishwars said:

Highest Rated Players Remaining 
72. James Wiggins | S | Cincinnati
85. David Moore | OL | Grambling State
106. Dylan Moses | LB | Alabama
111. Ar’Darius Washington | S | TCU
123. Cade Johnson | WR | South Dakota State
126. Darius Stills | IDL | West Virginia
134. Christian Uphoff | S | Illinois State
136. Robert Jones | IOL | Middle Tennessee
137. Trill Williams | CB | Syracuse
144. Khyiris Tonga | IDL | BYU

I'd love almost all these guys as UDFA. I hope we get a few. 

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NudeTayne

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1 minute ago, zelbell said:

Is there something really wrong with Marvin Wilson?

All we've heard for months now is...played poorly, out of shape, unmotivated, poor athletic testing. He's looked bad at everything this year. And he's not super young. Still, I'd gladly kick the tires in UDFA.

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