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7 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

 

This is one of my favorite pods. FTR, 

Both absolutely love Banks. 

Tre loves Sermon

Ben had Hufanga as his favorite box safety in the class but basically as a linebacker (Tre liked him in 2019 but actually felt worse about him in 2020, but still was good on him) especially in blitz heavy schemes, absolutely adored Lance but didn't know how to put him higher, and he liked Mitchell as one of his favorite day three running back targets. 

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Random, but Brady Quinn is a really good analyst. Very knowledgable and you could tell he puts in the work breaking film down. I enjoy listening to him. 

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Outside of Hufanga i had almost all players we drafted around the same spot but in a lot of cases i preferred different options or though they where better scheme fits. So as a whole i like this class but can't say i am totally in love. I like that we seem to be going to more power than speed on offense to counter some of the thing happening in the league which shows we are thinking ahead and are looking to take advantage of what other teams are doing and how we can make that our advantage. Would have preferred to add a taller corner to deal with guys like Metcalf but watching last year Verrett who is also smaller did great on him so might be more of a being physical thing which both Thomas and Lenoir seem to be.

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7 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Random, but Brady Quinn is a really good analyst. Very knowledgable and you could tell he puts in the work breaking film down. I enjoy listening to him. 

You know who isn’t? Aquib Talib. I listened to a few minutes of BR’s pre-day 2 coverage and he was completely clueless on guys, fits, etc. I don’t know what he was doing there.

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Lance and Mitchell help this a lot, but I didn't even think we were going for supreme athletes this draft. Banks definitely doesn't pop out as a great athlete and Sermon overall is just fine. Thomas is certainly a top level athlete it seems.

Is Moore seen as a top athlete at G as well? 

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2 hours ago, NinerNation21 said:

You know who isn’t? Aquib Talib. I listened to a few minutes of BR’s pre-day 2 coverage and he was completely clueless on guys, fits, etc. I don’t know what he was doing there.

Ha! I like Talib, but yeah he probably didn't know nearly enough about all these prospects. 

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9 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Lance and Mitchell help this a lot, but I didn't even think we were going for supreme athletes this draft. Banks definitely doesn't pop out as a great athlete and Sermon overall is just fine. Thomas is certainly a top level athlete it seems.

Is Moore seen as a top athlete at G as well? 

Lance didn’t test at all, so he actually doesn’t count toward this. If he did, we’d be higher. 
 

Moore is a 75th percentile athlete at tackle and an 88th percentile athlete at guard. 

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Glad they hit on areas of need. Don't know jack about any of the draftees, and don't care about what they've done.

Bring it strong in September+ and then I'll care. 🙂

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Looking at the offseason as a whole.

Likes 

QB - Finally made an investment in a crazy talented and (soon to be) 21 year old QB with Mahomes or Allen potential 

RB/FB - All our RB's were on 1 year deals, finally got 2 youngsters on rookie contracts. Have some long-term stability there. Re-signed Juice as well

OL - Re-signed our all-pro LT, solidified our interior with Mack & Banks, and added depth with Moore, which will allow one of McKivitz or Brunskill to swing back to T

DL - Solidified our depth with the Ebukam, Kerr, Hurst & Key signings. Bosa is coming back healthy

DB - Re-signed our veteran DB's to one year deals (Williams, Verrett, Tartt) while having  long-term options behind them (Lenoir, Thomas, Moore, Hufanga)

Our LB & ST specialists were fine so no need to make any changes there

Dislikes

WR - Aiyuk & Samuel are dynamic but missed time last season and there's a lot of question marks behind them

TE - Kittle is dynamic but missed time last season and Dwelley & Woerner are question marks behind him 

That being said, its hard to address every need in one offseason

Priorities

Re-sign Warner to a long-term deal, Tomlinson to a short-term deal. And if Lance impresses and we move on from Jimmy this offseason, i hope we get Minshew as a backup

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1 hour ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Lance and Mitchell help this a lot, but I didn't even think we were going for supreme athletes this draft. Banks definitely doesn't pop out as a great athlete and Sermon overall is just fine. Thomas is certainly a top level athlete it seems.

Is Moore seen as a top athlete at G as well? 

Banks is a better athlete than you think when adjusting for size, but mostly average (elite verts, bad broads, elite cones, bad shuttles) but sermon actually had one of the highest RAS scores in the class for running backs I'm pretty sure. He was over a 9. Like a 9.1 (Mitchell was only a 9.44 for comparison). His explosion isn't quite kamara level, but it's easy up there and he's got some wiggle

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My own general thoughts on the draft:

 

Overall, I give it a B. And it's very hard to not give a grade based on the entire process, from January to April, when apparently the Lance decision was made. I think one of the things fans are going to focus on (much in the same we focus on 17, passing on Watson, Mahomes  ) is Fields falling to 11. That had to sting for a fair amount of people who were pro fields, but I think it's been pretty heavily documented (and we'll continue to find out more on this in the coming months, years. ) that Lance was going to picked very high. It's even stranger that Wilson was so openly accepted as #2 QB and multiple QB needy teams didn't pick him inside the top 10, Denver and Carolina especially. So would the price to move up one or two spots from 12 and grab Fields, vs grabbing Lance at the cost we gave up better? We don't know. It does seem like there might be more issues other than epilepsy  at play..and maybe just teams aren't as sold on his transition and projection as Lance. Even though I preferred Fields, I think it's fair to say that Lance has a better overall physical skillset. Regardless, if Lance fails and this team underperforms as a result, there will be a very, very angry fan base and I think Jed can ignore to a point...but there will always be a breaking point. 

Day 2 was interesting. I hadn't done any scouting on Banks, but I distinctly remember a pod (probably TDN, listen to them the most) was really, really effusive with Banks as a prospect. Really liked him and I think there was talk about the guy really have a lot of positive intangible qualities off the field that was endearing teams to him. I also like the fact that we invested in the O-line, I think Samuel would have been the pick if he lasted one more pick, but I think they gave the position the love it needed

Trading up for Sermon was highly questionable from a value standpoint. However, it's been discussed here, but I think we already have such a filled out roster, they were looking to condense picks for another high value guy.  Enter Sermon, who they didn't think he'd last (which I think is fair with the Jets lurking at the top of the 4th) and jumped at a guy they explicitly said they  thought has 3down potential. And I'll say, I think the most undervalued asset in the NFL are elite 3down RB's. It's akin to Steph Curry gravity to some degree. When you can disguise your offense because Kamara and CMC would be borderline elite slots, you can do a whole hell of a lot on offense than you could running out Kalen Ballage or Alfred Morris. I don't love this pick, but I'm not reeling in pain at it either. I've also been pretty vocal that this team has major consistency issues at RB and it resulted in some really poor games from them over the years. Mostert if he could stay healthy would be great..but he can't so it's a null point..I also can't help but think Mostert is going back to being a full time STer and taking some snaps off on offense now. 

Ambry Thomas was a guy who I ended picking up a lot in Mocks. High level athlete, some return potential, similar scheme, opt out (some maybe unrealized value), but I like that they still managed to get in a good athlete at corner and a guy who can probably contribute in some way right away. Hopefully he can become a starter sooner rather than later, but we've done a pretty good job at developing and getting the most out of our corners, so I'm confident they'll figure this out. Hell, even DJ Reed wasn't bad for us..just never really understood that release..alas.

Day 3 Not much to say on day 3, but I was always ok double dipping at IOL, did it a lot in my drafts. Elijah Mitchell might be a nice diamond in the rough pick too, especially if he can bring something solid to the return game. People seem really high on the safety from USC whose name I won't butcher right now. I really, really wanted us to grab a receiver so I'm a little disappointed by that, grabbing Watkins as UDFA is a pretty solid move and would have been ok if he had been drafted in the 5th or 6th..

 

All in all, happy it's over. This will easily go down as one of the most infamous and maybe even important 49er drafts in our teams history. And I can't help but say it again. But our FO has balls that might be too big for their own good but god damn is it something to behold. Add to it that I think organizational success is usually had by those who are bold and unafraid of risk and failure. Gotta give it to them, because they do not operate scared.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am surprised we didn't do anything at TE. Dwelly needs to find his way off the roster imo. He's just not impressive. Tough to read woener, no preseason hurt him and he hardly played. He was very bad the first couple of times he saw the field, but his snaps got better later in the year. He gets a pass due to the lack of preseason, but he's also not someone I want higher than TE3 at this moment in time. With Kittles style of play and how important TEs are to the versatility of this offense, you would have thought a legit TE2 would be part of the plan. 

As far as WRs go, I had an interesting thought. Maybe they want to wait to work with Lance for a year and see exactly what his style is and what kind of WR would mesh best. Right now we expect Lance to translate a certain way, but I truly believe Kyle will change the offense to fit Lance's skills, not the other way around. So spending a pick on a WR when they don't truly know what the offense will look like in 12 months, didn't make a ton of sense. Perhaps that's also why we didn't do anything at TE 

Pumped they finally addressed the interior OL this year. Thought we were going to get a center that we could groom but maybe that can be on the list next season.

I will share more thoughts later, but this does seem like the type of draft that was a deep team trying to get ahead of future needs while also ensuring proper depth for a deep run. Even the Lance pick fits that criteria. He can help us win this year without being our starter 

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58 minutes ago, Forge said:

Banks is a better athlete than you think when adjusting for size, but mostly average (elite verts, bad broads, elite cones, bad shuttles) but sermon actually had one of the highest RAS scores in the class for running backs I'm pretty sure. He was over a 9. Like a 9.1 (Mitchell was only a 9.44 for comparison). His explosion isn't quite kamara level, but it's easy up there and he's got some wiggle

Sermon's RAS score is 9.66. He's the 6th most athletic guy Lynch has drafted. I actually wanted to dive into RAS scores a little more here:

  • Since 2017, we've drafted 35 guys who have am RAS score.
    • Our average is 7.51, which means on average a guy we draft is 75% more athletic than everyone else at his position. 

 

  • We've drafted 13 guys below our average
    • Jauan Jennings being the least athletic guy we've drafted since 2017 at 2.73. 

 

  • Talanoa Hufanga is the least athletic guy we drafted this year at 5.77 but Kyle told him he was one of their favorite guys in the entire class. For an organization that prioritizes athleticism to say that to guy who is not overly athletic says a lot about him. The IQ stuff is most likely very legit.

 

  • A little more context on Trey Sermon:
    • His 10 yard split is 98.6% better than any RB drafted since 1987
    • When you compare his 10 split to WR's, he's 98.8% better than any WR drafted since 1987

 

  • Elijah Mitchell's RAS score of 9.5 is extremely impressive:
    • Speed: Elite - 40 yard - 99.0% / 20 yard - 99.9% / 10 yard - 97.0%
    • Explosion: Elite - Vert - 88.1% / Broad 96.2%
    • Agility: Good - Shuttle - 77.1% / 3-Cone - 80.1%

 

  • Our current backfield:
    • Juice - 9.79
    • Sermon - 9.66
    • Mitchell - 9.50
    • Mostert - 9.37
    • Hasty - 6.71
    • Gallman - 6.28
    • Wilson - 5.45
    • Walter - 2.85

 

  • Jaylon Moore is the most athletic OT Lynch has drafted - 7.49 RAS
    • If you switch him to guard, he's 8.76, which would make him the 13th most athletic guy Lynch has drafted.
    • I think he stays at OT until he proves he can't hang there.
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