Hunter2_1 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 hours ago, FalconFan13 said: Both the Falcons and jags draft would be in my top 10 drafts and i have both of them with A drafts. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 7:06 PM, goldfishwars said: 26. Las Vegas Raiders I agree with Moehrig, Deablo and Gillespie being the 3 best picks. Don't like Leatherwood with Darrisaw available. Don't know enough about Koonce and Hobbs. As far as not adressing DT, i know i'll be paying a lot of attention to Nixon's career as he's a guy i would have liked to see added to the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 hours ago, goldfishwars said: Unfortunately, back injuries like Farley's have a very high chance to recur according to most accounts. It's just a tough sport to play with that issue lingering. I’d be surprised if he didn’t need another surgery down the road. This is like, verbatim what was said about Gronk coming out. Not saying Caleb is gonna have a HoF career, but there is precedent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 hours ago, TJM217 said: I think you hit the Titans draft right on the head. Agreed. And for the same reasons. Farley is risky, the WRs they took weren’t the best options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: This is like, verbatim what was said about Gronk coming out. Not saying Caleb is gonna have a HoF career, but there is precedent. That's very true! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 On 5/6/2021 at 2:42 AM, goldfishwars said: 22. Atlanta Falcons This Class In One Sentence: A great start to the draft, which meandered from there on Pre-Draft Needs S, Edge, RB, CB Selections 1. 4. Kyle Pitts - Florida | TE | 2. 40. Richie Grant - UCF | S | 3. 68. Jalen Mayfield - Michigan | OT | 4. 108. Darren Hall - San Diego State | CB | 4. 114. Drew Dalman - Stanford | C | 5. 148. Ta'Quon Graham - Texas | DE | 5. 182. Adetokunbo Ogundeji - Notre Dame | DE | 5. 183. Avery Williams - Boise State | CB | 6. 187. Frank Darby - Arizona State | WR | Picks Heading In 4. 35. 68. 108. 148. 182. 183. 187. 219. What I Liked I love Pitts at four assuming they just couldn’t get a trade back (which was the best option), he was clearly the best non QB in the class. There just aren’t many draft classes that have one-offs like Pitts. We are almost at the point where the expectation is that he could dominate from day one. I really liked the Grant pick in the 2nd round. He’s a high IQ starting safety, snuffs out danger with explosive closing speed. He’s also got some range when deployed deep. I like the Drew Dalman selection in the 4th round, plays with rapid burst and quickness and should be a nice scheme fit for what they're installing down there. Although I’m not sure what it means for Matt Hennessy as they’re quite similar and both feel center only. Avery Williams has the quality special teams tag going on and that’s probably useful. Frank Darby was also a solid bet on a late round receiver. What I Didn’t Like The class lost of a bit of steam coming out of those first two selections which were home runs. I suppose I was expecting at least one shot on a running back for a team which has endured the worst situation in the league for way too long. All of a sudden, undrafted Javian Hawkins could get some serious PT there. They did address edge, but only sort of with a five tech in Graham and a sluggish power end in Adetokunbo Ogundeji. There are more bodies than talent there at that position right now. I’m sort of on the fence with the Jalen Mayfield pick, he’s young and has some talent – but that testing was rough enough for me to be out on him at 68. That athleticism was supposed to be his upside. As for Darren Hall, I really just don’t know who he is. I feel like I should do as he was a 4th round pick. There were a few surprise dbs taken in the middle rounds and he was one of them. Mayfield is a guard, though. And his testing at guard is above average. So I don't see the issue there. Graham is a needed true 5-T for the rotation, and adds competition up front. Adding in Ogundeji as a blitzing OLB made a lot of sense for the scheme. He'll fit in fine here. The Darren Hall pick was a bit surprising, but he seemingly was selected for a long-term nickel. Think Mackensie Alexander or Brian Poole type nickel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 20 hours ago, goldfishwars said: 21. Jacksonville Jaguars This Class In One Sentence: Trevor Lawrence and a bumpy bunch of fellas on Urban’s old recruiting notes Pre-Draft Needs QB, OT, WR, S, IDL, TE, CB Selections 1. 1. Trevor Lawrence - Clemson | QB | 1. 25. Travis Etienne - Clemson | RB | 2. 33. Tyson Campbell - Georgia | CB | 2. 45. Walker Little - Stanford | OT | 3. 65. Andre Cisco - Syracuse | S | 4. 106. Jay Tufele - USC | DT | 4. 121. Jordan Smith - UAB | OLB | 5. 145. Luke Farrell - Ohio State | TE | 6. 209. Jalen Camp - Georgia Tech | WR | Picks Heading In 1. 25. 33. 45. 65. 106. 130. 145. 170. 249. What I Liked I mean, they drafted Trevor Lawrence which is cool and if he continues on his trajectory, he’ll do so much to cover up some of the deficiencies on this team moving forward. He’s just got an effortlessness about how he plays the game, the kind of space and time only afford to those operating on an almost sublime level. I like the Tyson Campbell (a Florida native) pick at 33. He might not generate a ton of turnovers, but he’s a highly athletic corner with loose-hips and can click and close windows rapidly. He's also a former five star recruit, with extremely desirable length and speed profile. Parking his injury for a moment (6 months into ACL rehab), Andre Cisco (a Florida native) has a lot to like as a split safety with high end ball skills. Jay Tufele (recruited heavily by Ohio State before he chose USC) too, feels like a really solid high-energy rotational DL to add in the middle rounds. Urban loves his speedy offensive players and Jalen Camp fits that mold as a fairly enigmatic dart throw late on. What I Didn’t Like I like Travis Etienne, but even aside from the RB’s in the first-round discussion – his game isn’t quite well-rounded enough to justify taking him there. He is an electric playmaker and gets to join his QB from school which is always cool to see. But he’s got plenty to work on in his pass-protection if they see him as some kind of third-down guy, which was a weird post-draft comment. Walker Little (former five star recruit) just hasn’t played much to like him at 45 over the likes of Dillon Radunz and Samuel Cosmi. He does have some desirable traits, however, and lands in a good spot where he shouldn’t have to play immediately. Jordan Smith seemed kind of undraftable after a poor Senior Bowl week and some genuinely awful athletic testing. He’s a former Florida dude, hence probably why he has the connection with Urban – but yeah, I didn’t understand that pick. As a primary blocking tight end, Luke Farrell isn’t the long-term solution to a troublesome spot for Jax. There was some hope from fans that they would land one of the bigger names at that position. Fwiw, Etienne is going to play that Percy/Samuel role in the offense. Definitely not just a 3rd down RB. The thing with Little for me is the upside and physical traits. Obviously a lot of risk with a guy who didn't play either of the last two years (one being COVID related), but he also has a massive ceiling and outside of Sewell, imo, probably the most natural LT in the transition to the pro game after him. Has that ideal size and length. It may have been my favorite pick after Lawrence in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 7 hours ago, TJM217 said: I think you hit the Titans draft right on the head. Hmmm that sounds painful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, .Buzz said: Fwiw, Etienne is going to play that Percy/Samuel role in the offense. Definitely not just a 3rd down RB. Oh for sure, that's what Urban called him after the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, goldfishwars said: Oh for sure, that's what Urban called him after the draft Yeah, I mean I definitely don't see him being in the backfield too often on early downs. Probably should've expanded on what he meant there though. He's going to be a big part of our offense from the jump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, .Buzz said: 1 hour ago, goldfishwars said: Oh for sure, that's what Urban called him after the draft Yeah, I mean I definitely don't see him being in the backfield too often on early downs. Probably should've expanded on what he meant there though. He's going to be a big part of our offense from the jump. The thing is that tweet everyone passed around to laugh at the pick was after he already explained what he envisioned with the pick. Everyone just took a quote Mia posted after she had already posted his other comments and ran with that as if it was the only thing he said about it. link here 3:03 is the first time he mentions him being a third down back at 0:17 he calls him a multi-dimensional back at 0:27 he mentions the idea of using him to create matchup nightmares by using him to flex out and well as a running back at 1:20 he again reiterates that having a dual threat carry+catch player is vital to what he wants to run on offense at 1:27 he mentions Percy Harvin by name and how he's not ready to say Etienne is going to be as good as Percy, but that they'll find out at 2:21 he mentions how the addition of Etienne was part of the bolstering of the receiving corps at 2:57 he mentions that they may use two back formations with the possibility of then splitting Etienne out But somehow three minutes of him explaining how he they're going to use him all over the field got thrown away in favor of one sentence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 19. Arizona Cardinals This Class In One Sentence: A draft masterminded by a GM who always seems to do just about enough to keep his job Pre-Draft Needs CB, IOL, WR, TE, IDL, RB Selections 1. 16. Zaven Collins - Tulsa | LB | 2. 49. Rondale Moore - Purdue | WR | 4. 136. Marco Wilson - Florida | CB | 6. 210. Victor Dimukeje - Duke | DE | 6. 223. Tay Gowan - UCF | CB | 7. 243. James Wiggins - Cincinnati | S | 7. 247. Michal Menet - Penn State | C | Picks Heading In 16. 49. 160. 223. 243. 247. What I Liked I like a good few of the players selected in isolation. Zaven has extremely light feet for a 6’5 270 linebacker. Right now I’m not sure what he is, but he is something. If he can stay healthy, Rondale Moore gives them something they couldn’t get from Andy Isabella. They might see him as a satellite back. He is explosive with the ball in his hands, stout and incredible contact balance too. There's stuff to like about all of the later round selections. Tay Gowan in the 6th and James Wiggins in the 7th might be my favorite selections of the whole draft. Gowan is a PFF favourite and made a big impact in his only season as a starter in 2019. Wiggins probably dropped due to his knee issues, but he’s a versatile safety who can play close to the line or drop as a deeper defender. Dimukeje and Menet are likeable too, as fringe prospects with a shot to make the team. What I Didn’t Like While I like a lot of the players selected, the process and strategy still seems off. Drafting a 270-pound linebacker one year after drafting a 230 pound one, right in the middle of the first round feels a bit too much like Keim falling in love with a prospect and zeroing in on him. It was kind of wild to see how amped he was when they released the War Room footage, given that most people didn't view Zaven in that value range. It's clear that some teams don’t value linebacker at all, certainly not enough to spend back-to-back first rounders on them even if they will play different roles in the defense. The other side of the Rondale coin, is that he has had his health issues and probably needs a creative co-ordinator to get the most out of him. Plus, it's another similar body to throw onto a receiver pile which hasn’t produced anything under this regime. Trading away future assets (2022 4th round) to move up and draft Marco Wilson, who is solid - but a longer bet to nail down a starter role early on. Corner was a pretty big deal for the Cards heading into the draft and well done to big Steve for remembering that he badly needed a cornerback when he made that trade, I guess. But this is the kind of move which left you short handed in the draft in the first place. Edited May 7, 2021 by goldfishwars 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 hours ago, pwny said: The thing is that tweet everyone passed around to laugh at the pick was after he already explained what he envisioned with the pick. Everyone just took a quote Mia posted after she had already posted his other comments and ran with that as if it was the only thing he said about it. link here 3:03 is the first time he mentions him being a third down back at 0:17 he calls him a multi-dimensional back at 0:27 he mentions the idea of using him to create matchup nightmares by using him to flex out and well as a running back at 1:20 he again reiterates that having a dual threat carry+catch player is vital to what he wants to run on offense at 1:27 he mentions Percy Harvin by name and how he's not ready to say Etienne is going to be as good as Percy, but that they'll find out at 2:21 he mentions how the addition of Etienne was part of the bolstering of the receiving corps at 2:57 he mentions that they may use two back formations with the possibility of then splitting Etienne out But somehow three minutes of him explaining how he they're going to use him all over the field got thrown away in favor of one sentence. The dude is compiling info/thoughts from all 32 teams lol, give him a break 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tk3 said: The dude is compiling info/thoughts from all 32 teams lol, give him a break If this seemed like me calling him out on this, it wasn’t. And if @goldfishwars felt that it was, I apologize. I enjoy his rankings every year. Also while I don’t agree with the assessment on ETN, I also think that the risk associated with guys like Cisco reasonably allow for placing the team’s draft class at the point it is. It was just me pointing out that people got this vision for what Urban meant about ETN’s value and role from a single tweet that was taken wholly out of context. I wouldn’t even say GFW took it out of context, I’d bet a significant amount of money that it was presented to him when he saw it completely out of context. That single tweet (which I assume is what he saw because it got posted in multiple threads on here) was a whole big thing on draft night and the day after where a lot of people took to clown the Jaguars for drafting a guy they’re simply referring to as a third round back in the first round. I was simply clarifying that Urban never meant that, and that he actually put in a significant amount of effort to explain the actual role he wants for ETN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, pwny said: If this seemed like me calling him out on this, it wasn’t. And if @goldfishwars felt that it was, I apologize. I enjoy his rankings every year. Also while I don’t agree with the assessment on ETN, I also think that the risk associated with guys like Cisco reasonably allow for placing the team’s draft class at the point it is. It's all good my man! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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