Goldfish's Way Too Early Draft Rankings 2021 (All up)

[Daniel]

39 minutes ago, Jeezla said:

I think Washington had a pretty bad draft aside from Jamin and Cosmi, and Jamin was a bit of a reach. Cosmi never looked like a pro bowler either, just an average starter who won't necessarily hurt you. The rest of the class is bench guys, besides maybe Shaka, if he can add 15lbs and keep his athleticism. Dyami has the worst hands I've seen in years. St juste is just an average athlete. Yea, not a good draft imo.

Yeah, I would have had Washington way lower myself.  I had a bunch of tackles over Cosmi, and Jamin I feel like skyrocketed at the end based on Pro Day numbers.

But I also trust my own scouting a lot less this year than in years before, so who knows?

[irrevalentfalconsfan]

1 hour ago, goldfishwars said:

Which teams do you think had a worse draft?

Arizona, Cincy, WFT, Carolina, Miami and Minnesota, for starters

[Daniel]

28 minutes ago, irrevalentfalconsfan said:

Arizona, Cincy, WFT, Carolina, Miami and Minnesota, for starters

Carolina had one of the best drafts IMO.  Definitely way better than Atlanta, and with a lower pick.  I would put Minnesota, Cincy, and Miami well ahead of them too.

Arizona and WFT you can argue, I guess.  But I'm with Goldfish on this one.

[onejayhawk]

6 hours ago, goldfishwars said:

Oh sorry

He had blood clots in his lungs. It's like a heart condition, because he takes blood thinners. 

 

6 hours ago, DoleINGout said:

Very good off season for the Chiefs but this draft pick was my favorite of theirs. Really think a lot of teams missed the boat on this player.

I agree about Powell. Possession receivers who catch TDs are handy to have around. My favorite is Gray, because Kelce is 31 years old. There is no telling how long he stays at the top of his game, but it's nice to have someone who can give him a rest. When you add CEH and Rel Williams out of the backfield, it's like a line change in hockey. 

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[ClutchDJ]

11 hours ago, Jeezla said:

I think Washington had a pretty bad draft aside from Jamin and Cosmi, and Jamin was a bit of a reach. Cosmi never looked like a pro bowler either, just an average starter who won't necessarily hurt you. The rest of the class is bench guys, besides maybe Shaka, if he can add 15lbs and keep his athleticism. Dyami has the worst hands I've seen in years. St juste is just an average athlete. Yea, not a good draft imo.

Agreed.

 

Probably the most overrated draft imo.

[oakdb36]

Curious where the Lions end up. Big fan of their draft class.

[goldfishwars]

11. New York Giants

This Class In One Sentence:
Hey, it looks like you can teach an old dog new tricks

Pre-Draft Needs 
Edge, WR, CB, LB, OL

Selections
1 20. Kadarius Toney - Florida | WR |
2 50. Azeez Ojulari - Georgia | EDGE |
3 71. Aaron Robinson - UCF | CB |
4 116. Elerson Smith - Northern Iowa | EDGE |
6 196. Gary Brightwell - Arizona | RB |
6 201. Rodarius Williams - Oklahoma State | CB |

Picks Heading In
11.
42. 
76. 
116. 
196. 
201. 

What I Liked
Firstly, the best move of the draft was getting next year’s first and the other change out of the Bears so they could come up and get Fields. They could be set-up really nicely if Chicago struggles next year, which is entirely possible. The trade itself seemed like a good deal all-round, and exactly what the Giants should have done after presumably missing out on Devonta at 12. To be honest, it would have been worth it with him on the board. Toney was a decent-ish pivot at 20, he’s majestic and unpredictable with the ball in his hands and gives the receiver corps something they don’t have although that unpredictability had two sides to it at Florida. 

I think the Giants first and second round picks are sort of similar to the Raiders first two in that they look better the other way around. Ojulari, I’m guessing, likely fell due to concerns around an unknown knee issue so that’s a caveat to that selection. He’s a little one-trick, but yet also an incredibly effective speed rusher with flexibility and another player that gives the Giants something they don’t already have. 

I like the Aaron Robinson selection. He’s probably a slot only corner, given that’s all he played at UCF – but he’s feisty and competitive and was a blanket at the Senior Bowl. Elerson Smith is also fresh off a good Senior Bowl week where he boosted his stock and did that further with a wild workout. He’s probably a DPR at the next level, given his odd lanky build – but he’s got some surprising bend and burst as a rusher. 

What I Didn’t Like
Nothing egregious, I guess I’m not fully sold on Toney at 20 – especially if Olujari’s quiet knee trouble turns into a serious problem. He struggled to learn the offense at Florida, frequently ran the wrong routes and had some off-field concerns. There was a strong suggestion the team may have looked at offensive line in this draft to help bolster an interior which struggled last year. Other than that, I didn’t see anything in Gary Brightwell as a prospect but that’s a late round dart throw.  
 

[minutemancl]

Given the Eagles below average day 3 and the fact that they were offered the same deal the Giants were by the Bears, I would absolutely have the Giants draft ranked above them. If the Broncos and Panthers didn't draft so well overall and pick up value elsewhere, I'd have the Giants ranked above them as well given that they also passed on the Bears deal.

It was an extremely valuable draft for the Giants this year. Excited to see how the top-3 guys pan out, as they should be immediate contributors.

[EagleBlueDon]

Man the salt water is flowing with the Giants missing on DeVonta.

[Dbrog24]

1 hour ago, EagleBlueDon said:

Man the salt water is flowing with the Giants missing on DeVonta.

Ironically I would grade their draft worse if they had just taken Smith. That Bears pick is going to be in the teens IMO and given what happened with the Eagles, they would have had to trade up to get Smith. I'm never going to be behind trading up to get a WR in the first round and think the deal they got to move back was an absolute steal, especially cause they still got a good WR. 

Also based on how Goldfish is doing his ratings, Giants were perfect in terms of drafting at need but also high quality players for the round they were taken in

Edited May 12, 2021 by Dbrog24

[Deadpulse]

If not for that Bears trade, I kinda hate the Giants draft. This is the first one where I think it's too high. 

[Go_Giants]

3 minutes ago, Deadpulse said:

If not for that Bears trade, I kinda hate the Giants draft. This is the first one where I think it's too high. 

Other than no offensive linemen, what is your problem with it?

[Deadpulse]

2 minutes ago, Go_Giants said:

Other than no offensive linemen, what is your problem with it?

Don't like Toney at all, especially at 20 overall. He's a third round talent IMO. I also thought Ojulari was a reach with better players on the board. He strikes me as too much of a boom or bust type prospect while there were safer picks to make with the same potential and higher floors. I just don't see his skillset transferring to the NFL in any role larger than a 3rd and long pass rush specialist/rotational player. 

The only pick I like, which I agree with @goldfishwars on, is Robinson. I think he was somewhat of a steal at where he landed. 

 

 

 

[minutemancl]

5 minutes ago, Deadpulse said:

Don't like Toney at all, especially at 20 overall. He's a third round talent IMO. I also thought Ojulari was a reach with better players on the board. He strikes me as too much of a boom or bust type prospect while there were safer picks to make with the same potential and higher floors. I just don't see his skillset transferring to the NFL in any role larger than a 3rd and long pass rush specialist/rotational player. 

The only pick I like, which I agree with @goldfishwars on, is Robinson. I think he was somewhat of a steal at where he landed. 

You are much lower on Toney than the consensus and much, much lower on Ojulari than myself and the consensus. Calling him a reach at 50 is pretty insane.

[Deadpulse]

26 minutes ago, minutemancl said:

You are much lower on Toney than the consensus and much, much lower on Ojulari than myself and the consensus. Calling him a reach at 50 is pretty insane.

Thats fine. Like I said, I find him to be a reach more so that there were better prospects still on the board with higher floors and the same overall potential.