BobbyPhil1781 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Derek Carr is our best player? Yikeeeees. Did you conveniently miss the word "arguably"? Yikeeeeees You also failed to address the point as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Did you conveniently miss the word "arguably"? Yikeeeeees You also failed to address the point as well. Let's see how Carr finishes the second half. Usually completely folds against our tough second half schedule, and cold weather also plays a factor. The Raiders have an amazingly easy schedule (especially pass defense wise) every single year the past three years the first half of the season. And we have a ridiculously tough second half schedule. Let's see if Carr performs well all 17 games without his usual dwindling performance. Yes, he's playing great football once again. However, I see the same people hype him up the first half of every season and then all his praisers disappear the second half. Very consistent. Let's see if he can keep it up all year, keep playing well, and help this team makes the playoffs. I'll reserve judgment until the end of the season, but considering the trend the past few years, I'm not overly optimistic. I hope he tears the league apart, we make the playoffs, and he gets MVP talk, absolutely 100%. Not holding my breath though. Edited October 18, 2021 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 18 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: If we get a dominant DT and another LB (more athletic one, if morrow/white don’t work out), we’re looking pretty good. Imo I would say DT and CB would be two positions needed for this defense to take the next step. Hayward has been a good pick up maybe even better then Nelly was for the team last year but he’s really pushing it with his age and they should obviously extend a new contract for another year but this team needs a legit number 2 CB who is young and has size. I would expect Deablo to have a way bigger role next season playing that Littleton spot so I don’t think LB would be much of a need . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: Oh Coughdoggy 😍😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 51 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: Imo I would say DT and CB would be two positions needed for this defense to take the next step. Hayward has been a good pick up maybe even better then Nelly was for the team last year but he’s really pushing it with his age and they should obviously extend a new contract for another year but this team needs a legit number 2 CB who is young and has size. I would expect Deablo to have a way bigger role next season playing that Littleton spot so I don’t think LB would be much of a need . Maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 56 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Let's see how Carr finishes the second half. Usually completely folds against our tough second half schedule, and cold weather also plays a factor. The Raiders have an amazingly easy schedule (especially pass defense wise) every single year the past three years the first half of the season. And we have a ridiculously tough second half schedule. Let's see if Carr performs well all 17 games without his usual dwindling performance. Yes, he's playing great football once again. However, I see the same people hype him up the first half of every season and then all his praisers disappear the second half. Very consistent. Let's see if he can keep it up all year, keep playing well, and help this team makes the playoffs. I'll reserve judgment until the end of the season, but considering the trend the past few years, I'm not overly optimistic. I hope he tears the league apart, we make the playoffs, and he gets MVP talk, absolutely 100%. Not holding my breath though. Ok so you're assuming what will happen. It's an educated assumption but still an assumption none the less. This year seems different to me personally but we'll see. In cold weather, the second half of the year last year (CLE, NY, DEN) he threw for almost 300/game (remember the crazy wind in CLE also as it will skew those numbers), 6 TDs, 3 INTs, and the offense averaged 26.3 PPG. He has been bad in the second halves of seasons before but last season, overall, he wasn't that bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Ok so you're assuming what will happen. It's an educated assumption but still an assumption none the less. This year seems different to me personally but we'll see. In cold weather, the second half of the year last year (CLE, NY, DEN) he threw for almost 300/game (remember the crazy wind in CLE also as it will skew those numbers), 6 TDs, 3 INTs, and the offense averaged 26.3 PPG. He has been bad in the second halves of seasons before but last season, overall, he wasn't that bad Denver's not a cold weather game. It's not cold in November and December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, SBXISBXVSBXVIII said: Denver's not a cold weather game. It's not cold in November and December. It's absolutely subjective. Edit: I will add to most in SoCal, it's considered "cold" but I'm not from there so it's not something I can personally describe Edited October 19, 2021 by BobbyPhil1781 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: Maybe? Need him to play a full season. Only reason why its a maybe right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 11 hours ago, agarcia34 said: Imo I would say DT and CB would be two positions needed for this defense to take the next step. Hayward has been a good pick up maybe even better then Nelly was for the team last year but he’s really pushing it with his age and they should obviously extend a new contract for another year but this team needs a legit number 2 CB who is young and has size. I would expect Deablo to have a way bigger role next season playing that Littleton spot so I don’t think LB would be much of a need . Mullen? He was pretty good when healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 9 hours ago, agarcia34 said: Need him to play a full season. Only reason why its a maybe right now. It's so hard to quantify though. Nelly helped the offense immensely, but we had a fairly talented offense, albeit somewhat unproven. Hayward probably has a bigger impact, but being even an average player in comparison to our secondary last year is as big a step forward as one could possibly be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 9 hours ago, agarcia34 said: Need him to play a full season. Only reason why its a maybe right now. It's so hard to quantify though. Nelly helped the offense immensely, but we had a fairly talented offense, albeit somewhat unproven. Hayward probably has a bigger impact, but being even an average player in comparison to our secondary last year is as big a step forward as one could possibly be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 12 hours ago, agarcia34 said: Imo I would say DT and CB would be two positions needed for this defense to take the next step. Hayward has been a good pick up maybe even better then Nelly was for the team last year but he’s really pushing it with his age and they should obviously extend a new contract for another year but this team needs a legit number 2 CB who is young and has size. I would expect Deablo to have a way bigger role next season playing that Littleton spot so I don’t think LB would be much of a need . Rejuvenating peoples careers is gonna be huge for the Raiders. The Raiders will get a endless line of FAs willing to come here on the cheap to get a big contract somewhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Biggest draft needs as it stands today: OG, DT, LB, CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: It's so hard to quantify though. Nelly helped the offense immensely, but we had a fairly talented offense, albeit somewhat unproven. Hayward probably has a bigger impact, but being even an average player in comparison to our secondary last year is as big a step forward as one could possibly be. Don’t give me wrong Nelly had a good year but when it comes down to it he had somewhere near 900 yards. While that was good for us, there was never a point where you looked and said “ this guy is playing like a top 10 receiver“(nor has he ever been). Casey Hayward is playing like he’s one of the best corners in league right now(which he’s been before) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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