2022 NFL Draft Thread

[Jeremy408]

I can honestly say that I personally love the Ferrell pick when he first got drafted considering who had already got picked before him. The only person I would've picked over him if I personally I'm being honest was Brian Burns (Who at the time wasn't considered a big deal either). 

We're talking about specifically at the time, I would have picked it Ferrell over Devin white due to the fact that when you don't rush the passer things look different. 

I also would've picked Farrell over Josh Allen who I thought only had one move and didn't really know how to use his hands very well. Kind of just won with speed

My board at the time went like this:

Williams

Bosa

Burns(because I'm a Florida State fan and knew how good he was actually playing)

Ferrell

White

Sweatt 

Josh Allen

Edited October 29, 2021 by Jeremy408

[MrOaktown_56]

1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

You said if you replaced Ferrell and Arnette, he'd be an A. I thought you were referring to the draft where he's barely a C. 

The team looks good when Carr is playing his best ball. He was here before Mayock got here. Without Carr, this team would not be where it is. I wouldn't say they are loaded with talent, they have some pieces with QB being the biggest one. 

That said, I'm interested in who Mayock is without Gruden having final say. Could learn a lot about him soon.

Look how far you’ve come. With the qb being the biggest one. It’s like I woke up from a coma in 2017 😂

[MrOaktown_56]

28 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

I don't mind reserving judgment on them either insofar as the picks have been made and they're here so let's see what they've got. 

My main point is with the bulk of the 2021 "Mayock rounds" picks essentially redshirting, he doesn't get to claim success or be rated with failure yet. 

That leaves a stellar 2019 draft and one of the worst ever seen in 2020. The midway point between an A+ and an F would be a C+/B- on drafts. Because of some of the bad contracts given out and lackluster trade returns, I'd ding him to the C+ instead of the B- in terms of overall job performance.

I see what you’re saying but he deserves a lot of credit for free agency. In addition, a lot of the young players are still emerging. I think now that cable/gruden are no longer running the show, the drafts will look better.  I like you and others hated some of the picks. Like muse/Bowden, Ferrell, Arnette, etc.

[NYRaider]

28 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:

I can honestly say that I personally love the feral pig when he first got drafted considering who had already got picked before him. The only person I would've picked over him if I personally I'm being honest was Brian Burns (Who at the time wasn't considered a big deal either). 

Everyone has bad takes, even NFL GM's that get paid millions of dollars and have a huge teams of scouts and other personnel supporting them. Hindsight is 20-20 I just think it's odd for someone to continuously bring up the fact that I said Ferrell was a safe pick at the time, lol.

[BobbyPhil1781]

22 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

If you replace Ferrell and Arnette with like any 2 other guys, we are talking about Mayock like an A grade GM.

I'm just concerned with how much influence he had on those picks. I feel it's a valid concern although might disagree.

Really disappointed with Arnette. He was awful as a junior but amazing as a senior. Just doesn't look like he'll be able to get it done and even if he does, he can't stay healthy

Edited October 29, 2021 by BobbyPhil1781

[NYRaider]

14 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

I'm just concerned with how much influence he had on those picks. I feel it's a valid concern although might disagree.

I think it's more concerning how much Mayock/Gruden have trusted their assistant coaches. We picked Ferrell/Arnette, signed Nassib/Collins because they were Guenther guys that "fit the scheme." Gus Bradley shows up and brings in Yannick, Hayward, Perryman, Philon, and drafts Moehrig/Hobbs which has completely turned our defense around. 

[Jerry]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

I think it's more concerning how much Mayock/Gruden have trusted their assistant coaches. We picked Ferrell/Arnette, signed Nassib/Collins because they were Guenther guys that "fit the scheme." Gus Bradley shows up and brings in Yannick, Hayward, Perryman, Philon, and drafts Moehrig/Hobbs which has completely turned our defense around. 

Guenther's the fat kid at the candy store that can't figure out what he wants.  G. Bradley's the kid that grabs 12 Snicker bars and walks out saying "I know what I'm about son."

[Mr Raider]

1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said:

I'd give him a C+ right now as a GM when talking the whole gig. He's made some pretty good signings (or, at least listened to someone who vouched for guys like Hayward, Perryman, Agholor, etc.). However, if we're going to give him credit for the good since 2019, he also gets some blame for the bad. It all goes back to just how much sway he had in comparison to Gruden. I say this because in that timespan, we've also made some atrocious contract signings like Tyrell Williams, Mariota, and Nassib, while getting the poor side of trades more often than not (5th for Gabe? The AB debacle anyone should have seen coming.). 

That said, the drafts have been D level work. Horrid reaches, awful value, busts, guys who never played taken on day 2, drafting deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep reserves like Koonce, Deablo, Gillespie when there were clear as day needs readily apparent. 

That grade can go up though. The 2019 class looks pretty good, though none of Ferrell, Jacobs, or Abram have proven to be 1st round quality. He's being buoyed by striking gold with Crosby, Moreau, and Renfrow. That's rare though, and shouldn't be considered his standard. 

2020, in hindsight, is pretty much a C+. Ruggs wound up being a successful reach, Edwards was a steal. And Simpson is....ok. Arnette, Bowden, Muse, and Amik were all day 1/2 picks just a season ago, and 3 are definitive F picks, with Amik barely hanging on himself. To go in with 7 picks in the top 140 and miss that much is bad.

This year we're basically hanging on Moehrig and Hobbs. Leatherwood is functional but his penalty issues are nothing new and he was a massive reach now playing a late day 2/day 3 position. Gillespie apparently plays behind freaking Leavitt. Koonce is deep down the chart. And Deablo is TBD. 

And again, we debate whether Gruden made the 1st round calls. If so, strike the shine from Ruggs and Abram, and Jacobs off of the Mayock mirror. He struck gold on Crosby, Renfrow, and Moreau all at once, and got another one in Hobbs. But what else? 

Discounting the first round, Mayock has had 14 picks made in the top 150. Hobbs was a real late steal at 167.  7 have been varying degrees of productive (Mullen, Crosby, Moreau, Renfrow, Edwards, Simpson, Moehrig). That's really good.....until you factor in the absolute whiffs on Johnson, Muse, Bowden, and Robinson with picks you expect at least SOME contribution from. 

2019 was great. 2020 was absolute garbage. 2021 is TBD, but are we really going to say we expect a lot from Koonce, Deablo, or Gillespie? Maybe. But he can't receive a grade for any of them yet. 

So, again, I'd give him a C+ with some benefit of the doubt on personnel choice. But there have been way too many awful contracts and 2nd round or later (the supposed Mayock rounds) to blanketly sing his praises. The waste of resources can't just be overlooked because he had a great 2019 class and a late round steal here and there. 

In 2022, if we don't flop FA and he doesn't do anything dumb in the 1st (thus proving he had no say in the big reaches), he can probably get himself up to a solid B grade. If the 2021 class really contributes and/or the entire 2022 class looks like smart choices, that grade, frankly, would be an A with 2020 being a clear outlier. But both could tank and then what?

C+, imo, gives him some benefit of the doubt and plenty of ways to move up into great GM status with just a couple more good moves, but also acknowledges some of the all-time headscratching decisions he's made and puts him on theoretical notice. I think that's plenty fair enough. 

 

I'm in agreement with most of what you are saying. I would only significantly disagree with 2 points. 

1 - Ruggs absolutely wasn't a reach. He perhaps may not have been the preferred selection for most here or in the fanbase generally. Nor was he likely the BPA overall. But he wasn't a reach. Prior to the draft there was significant debate about who the top WR in the class was between Ruggs, Lamb, and Jeudy. We all had individual opinions about that, but it was debated. I had my WR rankings prior to the draft as Lamb, Higgins, Ruggs, Mims, Jefferson, Pittman, Jeudy, Aiyuk, Shenault, Reagor, Van Jefferson. I liked Claypool a fair amount but I had him pegged as a Waller type of TE at the NFL level. Now, I fully admit that my WR rankings were not particularly close to the general consensus. But if you look at any website or magazine from the time there was a decent amount of fluctuation as to who the top WR was (most being Lamb or Jeudy but there were some Ruggs as WR1 prior to the draft) and more importantly, all of those guys were in 90% of rankings out there, viewed as top 20 talents overall (and actually from a quick look back usually top 10-15) in the draft class. PFF had Ruggs as the number 2 WR behind Lamb (7th overall player) and the 10th player on their big board. CBS had Ruggs as the #3 WR but still had him as 11th on their final big board. Matt Miller from Bleacher Report had Ruggs as WR2 behind Jeudy and his 11th overall player. Drafttek had Ruggs as WR3 but still their 14th overall player. I believe Kiper and McShay for ESPN both had Ruggs as a top 15 overall prospect. Daniel Jeremiah had Lamb, Jeudy, and Ruggs as back to back to back as his 8-11 overall prospects. SI had Ruggs as their 12th overall prospect. Multiple people for the draft network had Ruggs as a top 12 player overall. Including Carter Darnik who had Ruggs as his 8th best prospect and #1 WR. 

There are even more examples to back this up. I would agree that most outlets had Ruggs as their 2nd or 3rd best WR behind Lamb and Jeudy. However one of the biggest talking points of the entire draft was how historically stacked the WR class was as a whole and the belief that any of Lamb, Jeudy, or Ruggs could easily be the clear WR1 in other years. Ruggs was pretty universally considered a top 10-15 prospect and even the harshest critics had him squarely in the top 20 (Walterfootball was the lowest I saw in a quick look back and he had him as 25 but that was the only one in about 10 or so of the top draft coverage websites). Perhaps some or a lot on this board thought Ruggs was a reach. But IMO that was mainly due to Lamb being the favorite WR among most posters. Not indicative of Ruggs evaluation or talent. And it absolutely didn't represent the draft community as a whole. Ruggs absolutely wasn't a reach. Depending on how you classify that I guess. If we say a guy had an average ranking of the 15th best prospect and he's drafted at 12 for example, I don't consider that a reach at all. For me if you aren't a top 10 selection where there is usually less fluctuation, and aren't drafted 10 or so picks before your general ranking you aren't really a reach in my eyes. 

Leatherwood, Ferrell, Arnette, those guys were all reaches without argument. Ferrell went top 5 and was seen more as a 20-30 overall player. Leatherwood and Arnette were top 20 picks and typically viewed as 2nd or 3rd round prospects (good lord that's terrible). Ruggs was loved by many leading up to the draft. One of the elite speed guys that regularly got a lot of love by draft "experts" that constantly made it a point to say Ruggs wasn't the typical workout warrior, burner/deep threat only. He was significantly more skilled and had better hands than the John Ross' of the world. Even if you didn't agree with the selection or thought other guys were better prospects or more deserving of being the pick, that's fine. But Ruggs in no way was a reach. 

I'll post my 2nd topic of discussion in an additional posts as this one is already rather lengthy. 

 

 

[Mr Raider]

4 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

I'd give him a C+ right now as a GM when talking the whole gig. He's made some pretty good signings (or, at least listened to someone who vouched for guys like Hayward, Perryman, Agholor, etc.). However, if we're going to give him credit for the good since 2019, he also gets some blame for the bad. It all goes back to just how much sway he had in comparison to Gruden. I say this because in that timespan, we've also made some atrocious contract signings like Tyrell Williams, Mariota, and Nassib, while getting the poor side of trades more often than not (5th for Gabe? The AB debacle anyone should have seen coming.). 

That said, the drafts have been D level work. Horrid reaches, awful value, busts, guys who never played taken on day 2, drafting deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep reserves like Koonce, Deablo, Gillespie when there were clear as day needs readily apparent. 

That grade can go up though. The 2019 class looks pretty good, though none of Ferrell, Jacobs, or Abram have proven to be 1st round quality. He's being buoyed by striking gold with Crosby, Moreau, and Renfrow. That's rare though, and shouldn't be considered his standard. 

2020, in hindsight, is pretty much a C+. Ruggs wound up being a successful reach, Edwards was a steal. And Simpson is....ok. Arnette, Bowden, Muse, and Amik were all day 1/2 picks just a season ago, and 3 are definitive F picks, with Amik barely hanging on himself. To go in with 7 picks in the top 140 and miss that much is bad.

This year we're basically hanging on Moehrig and Hobbs. Leatherwood is functional but his penalty issues are nothing new and he was a massive reach now playing a late day 2/day 3 position. Gillespie apparently plays behind freaking Leavitt. Koonce is deep down the chart. And Deablo is TBD. 

And again, we debate whether Gruden made the 1st round calls. If so, strike the shine from Ruggs and Abram, and Jacobs off of the Mayock mirror. He struck gold on Crosby, Renfrow, and Moreau all at once, and got another one in Hobbs. But what else? 

Discounting the first round, Mayock has had 14 picks made in the top 150. Hobbs was a real late steal at 167.  7 have been varying degrees of productive (Mullen, Crosby, Moreau, Renfrow, Edwards, Simpson, Moehrig). That's really good.....until you factor in the absolute whiffs on Johnson, Muse, Bowden, and Robinson with picks you expect at least SOME contribution from. 

2019 was great. 2020 was absolute garbage. 2021 is TBD, but are we really going to say we expect a lot from Koonce, Deablo, or Gillespie? Maybe. But he can't receive a grade for any of them yet. 

So, again, I'd give him a C+ with some benefit of the doubt on personnel choice. But there have been way too many awful contracts and 2nd round or later (the supposed Mayock rounds) to blanketly sing his praises. The waste of resources can't just be overlooked because he had a great 2019 class and a late round steal here and there. 

In 2022, if we don't flop FA and he doesn't do anything dumb in the 1st (thus proving he had no say in the big reaches), he can probably get himself up to a solid B grade. If the 2021 class really contributes and/or the entire 2022 class looks like smart choices, that grade, frankly, would be an A with 2020 being a clear outlier. But both could tank and then what?

C+, imo, gives him some benefit of the doubt and plenty of ways to move up into great GM status with just a couple more good moves, but also acknowledges some of the all-time headscratching decisions he's made and puts him on theoretical notice. I think that's plenty fair enough. 

 

My 2nd point would be this, I believe fans of all teams and the media as a whole completely overestimates the quality and contributions of 3rd and 4th round selection. The majority of talking heads and fans say things generally along the lines of first round picks should be immediate starters and pro bowl caliber or better players, 2nd round selections should be day one starters and long term starting quality caliber players if not better, 3rd round selections should be significant depth pieces immediately with the ability to start right away depending on the situation or grow into that long term. Kind of similar with 4th round selections. And 5th-7th round selections are special teams, long term development, practice squad type lottery tickets. 

However, the success rate for the NFL as a whole simply does not support that general outline for 2nd or 3rd round selections. Not even for the cream of the crop of drafting front offices. Lets explore it a little further. We'll start with 2018 since we will have had at least 2 full seasons worth of play to get a sense for the talent. Full disclosure though, 2019 had a very very good third round in comparison to some other years. Just to make it clear I am not trying to frame the narrative a certain way. 

2018 - The best players in the third round to come out this year were Justin Reid, Fred Warner, Sam Hubbard, Michael Gallup, Orlando Brown, and Mark Andrews. Obviously some very good players in that group. Fred Warner is an all pro caliber guy. Brown, Reid, and Andrews have played for stretches at a pro bowl caliber level. Gallup is perhaps the best #3 WR in the NFL and good enough to be a quality #2 on most rosters. And Hubbard had like 14 sacks through 2 seasons but has since failed to do a whole lot. Not too bad right? Sure. Brandon Parker was our 3rd round selection that year. And while we all say how poorly he has played for most of his career, he has still been a swing tackle for us that has started 22 games in 4 seasons. When you compare that to the rest of the NFLs third round selections that year, you find that Parker level players (or worse) make up the vast majority of the third round picks this year and every other season. Guys like Chad Thomas has started 8 games for the Browns, Royce Freeman started 8 games for the Browns and wasn't very good when he wasn't starting either, Nathan Shepherd started 8 games for the Jets and racked up 4.5 sacks in that time frame, Malik Jefferson started zero games and offered the team that drafted him 10 tackles in the one season he lasted in Cincy. The list goes on and on from this year with similar caliber players except for the quality players I mentioned. There are a few others that have been Brandon Parker levels of depth with less than great play but have lasted for whatever reason. 

2017 - You have Larry Ogunjobi, Kamara, Cupp, Godwin, Kareem Hunt, Fabian Moreau, Shaquill Griffin, John Johnson, Kenny Golladay, Jonnu Smith, Trey Hendrickson, and James Conner. Those are the mix of all pro or regular pro bowl players and long term starters from the third round this year. Obviously some very good players. However you see countless guys like Montavious Adams (the Packers third round selection) that appeared in 45 games, with 2 starts, 1.5 sacks in 4 seasons, and averaged 10 combined tackles per season. Guys like Derek Rivers for the Patriots who played 2 seasons for the team, playing about 18 percent of the defensive snaps in those 2 seasons, played about 5 percent of the special teams reps, and appeared in 13 games total for the Patriots and gave them 2.5 sacks and 6 total tackles during his time in New England. Or Cordea Tankersley for Miami. He started 11 games as a rookie (and had a passer rating allowed over 100) playing 88 percent of the defensive snaps. He followed it up with 6 more appearances in 2018 where he played 7 percent of the defensive snaps and 50 percent of the ST snaps. That was his last season in Miami. You can go down through almost every other pick besides the 13 guys I singled out and see very similar levels of games played, starts, production, and how long they stayed on the team as these examples I have given. 

2016 - You have Kevin Byard, our own Carl Nassib, Kenyan Drake, and Yannick, Daryl Worley, Joe Thuney, Austin Hooper, Kendall Fuller, Javon Hargrave, Jacoby Brissett, and Justin Simmons as the stand outs of the draft class. Byard, Thuney, Simmons, and Fuller have been pro bowl or all pro caliber players throughout their careers. Hooper had one super productive year. Brissett has started a decent amount but hasn't exactly been great. But he is a really successful 3rd round selection if you base it on the players selected there most years. For every one of those types of players you have an abundance of guys like Adolphus Washington who gave Buffalo starts, 31 games played, 3.5 sacks, and like 60 tackles while playing around 35 percent of the defensive snaps for the Bills in 2 seasons before moving on from the team. Or Brandon Williams who gave Arizona 45 games played, 3 starts, 5 pass defenses, and 38 tackles during his time there. While playing 27 percent of the defensive snaps his rookie season, 0 year two, and 8% in year three before leaving the team that off season. How about Nick Vannett for the Seahawks they took in the third? He gave them 39 games played, 15 starts, 62 total targets, 45 receptions, and 380ish receiving yards in around 3 seasons with the team. These caliber players or worse are what shockingly (to me before looking into this) make up the majority of third round selections. 

2015 - The standouts are Tyler Lockett, Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson, PJ Williams, John Miller, Jordan Hicks, David Johnson, Danielle Hunter, and Henry Anderson. Lockett is pro bowl caliber. Hunter is the same. David Johnson had one really good year. The rest of those guys are ok players but hardly essential players to successful teams. There are far more selections like Alex Carter (appeared in 1 game for Detroit, 1 other for a different team and hasn't played in any other since), Carl Davis who played in 29 games for the Ravens, provided .5 sacks, 30 tackles, and played in 27% of the defensive snaps those 2 seasons before moving on to Cleveland prior to his 3rd season. Paul Dawson was a 3rd round selection of the Bengals, he provided the same number of total tackles as he did games played in, thirteen. With zero starts. Before leaving for Seattle for 3 game appearances to end his career in his third season. 

2014 - You have Prestone Brown, Christian Kirksey, Gabe Jackson, John Brown, Trai Turner, and Morgan Mosses as all the players that provided multiple years of starting caliber or better quality of play, and some of those weren't with the team that drafted them. That's it. Then you have a whole bunch of Dezmen Southward (19 games played in 2 seasons, 0 starts, 1 INT, 24 total tackles, and 20 percent of defensive snaps played in 2 seasons before playing 1 additional season elsewhere before retiring. Jay Bromley rewarded the investment with 4 seasons, 55 games played, 4 starts, 2 sacks, 75 total tackles, and 30% of the defensive snaps possible during his time in NY. Plenty of other similar caliber players throughout that round. 

2013 - Travis Kelce, Larry Waford, Tyran Mathieu, Terron Armstead, Jordan Reed, Keenan Allen, Shawn Williams, and Logan Ryan. So obviously some all pro caliber players in Kelce and Allen, perhaps even Armstead. Honey Badger is pro bowl caliber. As was Waford at certain points. But that's where the players that developed into quality long term starters or better pretty much ends. A couple fringe guys like Terrance Williams,  After them its a long list of guys like Sio Moore, Kayvon Webster, Corey Lemonier, Zaviar Gooden, Dallas Thomas, John Jenkins, Brennan Williams, etc. 

2012 - Gave us Russell Wilson, Trumaine Johnson, Olivier Vernon, Brandon Brooks, Mohamed Sanu, Nick Foles, and Aikem Hicks. The rest of that third round was a majority of Ronnie Hillman, Devier Posey, Josh Robinson, T.J. Graham, Michael Egnew, Brandon Hardin (never appeared in an NFL game, Mike Martin, Bill Bentley, etc. 

I went overboard with this. But I became so fascinated by it. I am not at all saying that I am pleased with our recent third round selections. And choosing guys you end up trading before they even get through camp is bad regardless (although they did get the next years equal round back). But the more you look at the third round of the draft over the past decade I saw you have less than a 1 percent chance of finding an elite, HOF level talent in the third round, over the past decade I looked at there was on average like 2-5 all pro caliber talents/perennial pro bowlers, another handful of long term (as in 3+ years as a starter) decent quality starters. Another handful of really quality depth players that are good at that but bad players if forced to start. And another 15-20 players on average that are going to range from so bad they never appear in a game for the team that drafted them, hang on at the bottom of the roster at a thin position still only being able to give you 20-30% of snaps and basically zero production, or guys that end up starting 20-30 games in the NFL because of necessity but aren't great players and likely aren't any better talents than a lot of the guys that never see the field that much but their teams had fewer alternatives. 

When you look at the third and fourth round as a whole for NFL teams it becomes how apparent judging most GMs ability to nail their picks in those rounds is a dangerous proposition to factor in heavily to their ability at their job. I mean pick almost any team, even the ones we say have phenomenal drafting GMs and look at their 3rd round selections during their time. Almost all of them have a high percentage of guys that never became a really good depth piece, forget about high end starter. 

I'm not at all saying Mayock has done well in the third round. I am largely saying that when looking at the recent history of players drafted in that range we don't have enough data to make a real judgment on his ability in that range. Finding elite talent in that range is scratch off lottery ticket odds at best, even for the elite GMs. And finding guys that never amount to more than your Brandon Parker, Bryan Edwards right now today, and we'll see with Diablo and Koonce. He deserves blame for Muse and Bowden (though being quick to admit defeat on Bowden and getting a pick back helps soften the blow) because it's not the majority of 3rd round picks that never see a single regular season snap. But it's not super rare either. If Koonce develops into a Yannick (also a 3rd rounder), Diablo becomes a starting caliber LB, Edwards continues to play well as our #2 or #3 WR or takes another step forward, or all of the above, suddenly in comparison to recent history of third round selections league wide Mayock looks like he may have a real eye for talent. Looking over the past decade or so of 3rd round picks also made it extremely clear it is far too early to write off Edwards, Koonce, Diablo, etc off right now. The hit rate is low overall in that range. You start looking for guys drafted there that made a big impact year one and you suddenly see that is basically just luck on insane odds. 

[NYRaider]

If we could some how come away with Jordan Davis and Daniel Faalele I would be a very happy man. 

[Dessie]

10 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Everyone has bad takes, even NFL GM's that get paid millions of dollars and have a huge teams of scouts and other personnel supporting them. Hindsight is 20-20 I just think it's odd for someone to continuously bring up the fact that I said Ferrell was a safe pick at the time, lol.

Exactly my point, everyone has bad takes however you try make out that you are better than Mayock (I don’t) and that he should never have taken Ferrell when you supported the pick at the time. You tried to deny liking Ferrel initially lol. 

[NYRaider]

9 minutes ago, Dessie said:

Exactly my point, everyone has bad takes however you try make out that you are better than Mayock (I don’t) and that he should never have taken Ferrell when you supported the pick at the time. You tried to deny liking Ferrel initially lol. 

I never said that I'm better than Mayock. And I never said I loved the pick, I said he was the cleanest edge prospect in the class as he had good production at a major program. I also said that he had a lower ceiling then other guys on the board but that they weren't scheme fits or had health concerns, all of which were true. You make it seem as though I was praising Ferrell saying he'd be some amazing player for sure and loved the pick. @big_palooka gave a much better review of the pick yet you have repeatedly brought up my comment, it's weird. 

[Dessie]

11 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

I never said that I'm better than Mayock. And I never said I loved the pick, I said he was the cleanest edge prospect in the class as he had good production at a major program. I also said that he had a lower ceiling then other guys on the board but that they weren't scheme fits or had health concerns, all of which were true. You make it seem as though I was praising Ferrell saying he'd be some amazing player for sure and loved the pick. @big_palooka gave a much better review of the pick yet you have repeatedly brought up my comment, it's weird. 

You said Ferrell was a legit cheerleader and you couldn’t believe we took him, I’ve pointed that you liked the pick so how can you say you can’t believe we took him?? It’s like you forget what you have said, that’s what is weird. 

[NYRaider]

Just now, Dessie said:

You said Ferrell was a legit cheerleader and you couldn’t believe we took him, I’ve pointed that you liked the pick so how can you say you can’t believe we took him?? It’s like you forget what you have said, that’s what is weird. 

I said he was the cleanest edge prospect in the draft and the other players carried significant risk which is why I understood the pick at the beginning of a major rebuild. Either way please stop pestering me, I genuinely don't care what you have to say and just want to contribute to the community here. 

[Dessie]

Just now, NYRaider said:

I said he was the cleanest edge prospect in the draft and the other players carried significant risk which is why I understood the pick at the beginning of a major rebuild. Either way please stop pestering me, I genuinely don't care what you have to say and just want to contribute to the community here. 

Lol, now you are denying it.