NYRaider Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Styrian Raider said: I understand what you mean and I do hope that we find at least one real starter in FA. I just want to say, that if the new GM-HC-Duo finds a guy that they like, they shouldn't pass on him, just because we already made some decisions that didn't work out. (and at this point I think neither Mayock nor Bisaccia is a part of that Duo) But for sure, if we have a top 15 pick, we have more urgent needs. (i hope that was a gramatically correct lol) I just don't think WR or skill position players are great value picks in the first round. Good teams build through the trenches and we've had success with veteran WR's in free agency in the past like Crabtree and Agholor. I'd prefer to go after a veteran guy because the learning curve for rookie WR's, especially in our system, is very steep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 hours ago, NYRaider said: We've spent so much draft capital on WR both via trade and with picks that we've made and essentially none of them have worked out. I'd prefer to go after one of the top WR's in free agency, particularly either Davante Adams or Allen Robinson. Adams obviously has the Carr connection but I'd guess GB tags him. Robinson on the other hand is having a super down year, primarily due to the fact that Fields is buns so we may be able to get him at a discounted rate. There were so many fans on this forum during the offseason that wanted us to trade Carr and mortgage the future for Fields. This would be a 1 win team if we had done so. Moving on from Carr and making a mistake of drafting a Fields or a Tua would set this franchise back years. I agree that we need to go after a WR in FA or the draft. What a disaster this year has turned out to be and once again reinforces my stance that the Raiders are the biggest dumpster fire organization in professional sports. Our HC is fired in a disgraceful manner and our number 1 WR is gone forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 4:17 AM, NYRaider said: 1. Kingsley Enagbare | Edge | South Carolina 2. Daniel Falele | OT | Minnesota 3. Avery Young | CB | Rutgers 4. Alec Lindstrom | C | Boston College 5. Kedon Slovis | QB | USC 6. Jerrod Clark | NT | Coastal Carolina 7. Logan Brown | OT | Wisconsin What is your take on Ahmad Gardner? If he is on the board when we pick he should strongly be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I just don't think WR or skill position players are great value picks in the first round. Good teams build through the trenches and we've had success with veteran WR's in free agency in the past like Crabtree and Agholor. I'd prefer to go after a veteran guy because the learning curve for rookie WR's, especially in our system, is very steep. omg. We actually agree on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, SBXISBXVSBXVIII said: omg. We actually agree on something. I'm sure we agree on a lot of things my friend. I want the team to succeed but sometimes my lack of homerism rubs people the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Frankie2Gunz said: What is your take on Ahmad Gardner? If he is on the board when we pick he should strongly be considered. I like Sauce Gardner and wouldn't hate the pick but I'd prefer an OL/DL early in the draft. There are a ton of quality CB's in the free agent class and as we've seen with our recent first round CB's it typically takes some time to adjust. Plus Bradley has shown that he can identify talent later in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: I agree that we need to go after a WR in FA or the draft. What a disaster this year has turned out to be and once again reinforces my stance that the Raiders are the biggest dumpster fire organization in professional sports. Our HC is fired in a disgraceful manner and our number 1 WR is gone forever. Agreed. If we want Carr to be at his best we need to add a proven #1 WR not another rookie. Davante Adams would be a dream case scenario but with Allen Robinson's struggles this year I think he's a cheaper, more realistic target. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Agreed. If we want Carr to be at his best we need to add a proven #1 WR not another rookie. Davante Adams would be a dream case scenario but with Allen Robinson's struggles this year I think he's a cheaper, more realistic target. I think we need another field stretcher but drafting one would be ideal, not early though. I'm not sure if any legit ones are FA next year. Adding Adams and drafting a field stretcher similar to Ruggs would make this O special. The whole Ruggs situation is terrible on so many levels. The loss of life for something so selfish and foolish is unacceptable. From a football prospective his loss on the field is massive and anyone who doesn't realize what this does to our O needs their head examined. He was a threat on every play even with the ball not in his hands. That cannot be replaced by any waiver wire cast off trash. Not even close. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: I think we need another field stretcher but drafting one would be ideal, not early though. I'm not sure if any legit ones are FA next year. Adding Adams and drafting a field stretcher similar to Ruggs would make this O special. The whole Ruggs situation is terrible on so many levels. The loss of life for something so selfish and foolish is unacceptable. From a football prospective his loss on the field is massive and anyone who doesn't realize what this does to our O needs their head examined. He was a threat on every play even with the ball not in his hands. That cannot be replaced by any waiver wire cast off trash. Not even close. I wouldn't mind signing two guys in free agency. Will Fuller would be a perfect, low risk/high reward signing. He's been hurt all year in Miami so I'm sure he'd come cheap and he's seen how Carr has revived the careers of a few other WRs that looked dead in the water. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: There were so many fans on this forum during the offseason that wanted us to trade Carr and mortgage the future for Fields. This would be a 1 win team if we had done so. Moving on from Carr and making a mistake of drafting a Fields or a Tua would set this franchise back years. I agree that we need to go after a WR in FA or the draft. What a disaster this year has turned out to be and once again reinforces my stance that the Raiders are the biggest dumpster fire organization in professional sports. Our HC is fired in a disgraceful manner and our number 1 WR is gone forever. I started the thread last year about whether we should trade or extend Carr. My argument was more about leveraging the equity we had in Carr for a Stafford-like draft haul. And, Carr was not a great fit for Gruden's scheme since it really does require a mobile quarterback to get the best out of it. That's not to say that Carr hasn't looked good to great with Gruden, but it was clear to me Gruden was not calling a game to Carr's strengths. While I still believe the Raiders could get a Stafford-like haul for Carr (if he would even be amenable to a trade), I no longer think he'll be stunted by Gruden. There was a solver lining to Gruden coaching Carr in that Carr really grew as a player. He became better at avoiding pass rushers in the pocket and became one of the league's premier pre-snap players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Rich7sena said: While I still believe the Raiders could get a Stafford-like haul for Carr (if he would even be amenable to a trade), I no longer think he'll be stunted by Gruden. There was a solver lining to Gruden coaching Carr in that Carr really grew as a player. He became better at avoiding pass rushers in the pocket and became one of the league's premier pre-snap players. I highly doubt that we'd be able to trade Carr for 2 first round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 I also wouldn't mind signing JuJu and Fuller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 43 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I highly doubt that we'd be able to trade Carr for 2 first round picks. I mean, that's what Stafford got. Carr has been better than Stafford for at least two seasons (2019-2020). I think a team like the Colts or Panthers would absolutely give up two firsts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: I mean, that's what Stafford got. Carr has been better than Stafford for at least two seasons (2019-2020). I think a team like the Colts or Panthers would absolutely give up two firsts. The Rams situation was an outlier though. They were on the brink of contention and were coming off of a winning season where they won a playoff game but knew that Goff wasn't going to be able to get them over the top. Stafford's arm talent is top tier and that only has allowed them to open up their offense. I don't think the Colts or Panthers believe that they're a Carr away from contention and Wentz is playing well this year plus they can't move on from him due to his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: I also wouldn't mind signing JuJu and Fuller. I wouldn't mind Juju for 6 or 7 million and Fuller is a great field stretcher when healthy but he never is healthy. I like what you're thinking as we could use another big bodied RZ threat and a field stretcher. If we could sign both of them for around 10 to 12 million total I would be all for that considering the upside potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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