Frankie2Gunz Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Not solely on the QB but why is W/L only listed on a QB record? https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/7/4/18258110/quarterback-wins-is-not-a-stat This article articulates my point quite nicely. Explain how this logic is flawed? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/7/4/18258110/quarterback-wins-is-not-a-stat This article articulates my point quite nicely. Explain how this logic is flawed? If the objective was to score less then the other team, Carr would be the GOAT through 7 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, NYRaider said: If the objective was to score less then the other team, Carr would be the GOAT through 7 seasons. Defense doesn't win championships. (Sarcasm) Edited July 3, 2021 by Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, NYRaider said: If the objective was to score less then the other team, Carr would be the GOAT through 7 seasons. Lol Explain how the point of view in this article is flawed and how your stance is right? Edited July 3, 2021 by Frankie2Gunz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 14 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/7/4/18258110/quarterback-wins-is-not-a-stat This article articulates my point quite nicely. Explain how this logic is flawed? But the best qbs have the higher win %’s. The article even states that. It’s ironic this article comes from Detroit lions fans a team that isn’t really known for winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: But the best qbs have the higher win %’s. The article even states that. It’s ironic this article comes from Detroit lions fans a team that isn’t really known for winning. Is your stance the same as @NYRaider? Do you care to dispute what the context of the article states? I agree that some of the best QB's of al time have high winning percentages but what the article states is how football is a team game and every aspect of the roster factors into wins and losses, not just a QB. QB is the most important position on the field but attributing wins and losses solely on them is asinine. Hence wins attributed to a QB is a worthless stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 3 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: But the best qbs have the higher win %’s. The article even states that. It’s ironic this article comes from Detroit lions fans a team that isn’t really known for winning. Carr has put up around league average numbers in his best years on losing teams, dude is the GOAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Is your stance the same as @NYRaider? Do you care to dispute what the context of the article states? I agree that some of the best QB's of al time have high winning percentages but what the article states is how football is a team game and every aspect of the roster factors into wins and losses, not just a QB. QB is the most important position on the field but attributing wins and losses solely on them is asinine. Hence wins attributed to a QB is a worthless stat. This is a true statement but so is that QBs get a disproportionate amount of credit for wins and loses. They are easily the biggest factor on average when it comes to a teams outcome. You put Brady on an average team and they are a contender and your average players will produce at a higher level. It is not the only factor but is the biggest. That is why under most circumstances the QB takes the blame or the praise for the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: This is a true statement but so is that QBs get a disproportionate amount of credit for wins and loses. They are easily the biggest factor on average when it comes to a teams outcome. You put Brady on an average team and they are a contender and your average players will produce at a higher level. It is not the only factor but is the biggest. That is why under most circumstances the QB takes the blame or the praise for the outcome. Quarterbacks and head coaches take all of the blame or get credited with the success of wins or losses. It literally just comes with the territory and is the reason why that W/L is only listed for those two individuals. You'll never see the W/L for a RB, DE, or CB as you will never see the W/L for a OC, DC, or special teams coordinator. There are very few coaches in the HOF and there's only 28 QB's in the HOF. Eli Manning, despite having 2 Super Bowl wins, is a question mark as a future hall of famer because of his poor record as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: This is a true statement but so is that QBs get a disproportionate amount of credit for wins and loses. They are easily the biggest factor on average when it comes to a teams outcome. You put Brady on an average team and they are a contender and your average players will produce at a higher level. It is not the only factor but is the biggest. That is why under most circumstances the QB takes the blame or the praise for the outcome. By who? Talking head media shills and uneducated fans. I don't pay attention to that nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Is your stance the same as @NYRaider? Do you care to dispute what the context of the article states? I agree that some of the best QB's of al time have high winning percentages but what the article states is how football is a team game and every aspect of the roster factors into wins and losses, not just a QB. QB is the most important position on the field but attributing wins and losses solely on them is asinine. Hence wins attributed to a QB is a worthless stat. I believe in winning percentage especially if it’s a baseline of say 140 games to be considered all time great. Definitely ok with that. I’d also say guys who have played the most games with the higher winning % are held on the highest pedestal like Brady, Peyton, Big Ben and elway. Imo having longevity and a high winning % is hard to ignore in goat talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Frankie2Gunz said: By who? Talking head media shills and uneducated fans. I don't pay attention to that nonsense. Why is W/L only listed for quarterbacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: By who? Talking head media shills and uneducated fans. I don't pay attention to that nonsense. Aka I will support Carr regardless of if he's just an average QB that can't win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Why is W/L only listed for quarterbacks? Did you not read the article? If you disagree with the stance regarding QB wins being a worthless stat I would like to your reasoning why, not you just asking the same idiotic question time after time... SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Aka I will support Carr regardless of if he's just an average QB that can't win. Was Warren Moon and average QB? His W/L record indicated he was. Explain to me why you are right and the HOF voters are wrong.... I'm wating for an answer from you with some substance which I am sure will never come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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