Sugashane Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 hours ago, dll2000 said: And I never over react you bastard. I should kill you where you stand, burn your house and salt your lawn. Not often we see you go Old Testament. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: I'm just glad it's not the fans who run this team lol. For the last 30 years sometimes you couldn't tell if we did or not. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 hours ago, WindyCity said: Again, he is 100% the exception. My guess is Mahomes would have won an MVP whether he sat or not. He is a generational talent. Maybe Mahomes wins MVP as a rookie and the Chiefs make a deeper playoff run. The point remains, sitting in meetings doesn’t give you a chance to apply anything on the field. There is a hard cap on what you can accomplish by watching + @AZBearsFan Do you have any idea how much work the kid had to do behind the scenes? Tyreek Hill thought he was a bust his rookie season and Mahomes said himself if he had to start right away he wouldn't have been nearly as prepared as he was his MVP season. Maybe he's the exception. Maybe he would have won MVP anyway. Who knows, all I know is the proof is right there for a QB with Mahomes' skillset in the same freaking offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, WindyCity said: During the season that is not how it works. The #1 QB gets 80% or more of the snaps. They have to prepare for the game. Fields will be running scout team because the #2 gets only a handful of reps otherwise. You're missing a lot here. John DeFilippo will still be working with Fields on "his plays" when Fields isn't running the scout team. You're acting as if the only coaching/reps Fields will get will be on the scout team, which is completely wrong. Edited May 20, 2021 by G08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 5 hours ago, WindyCity said: During the season that is not how it works. The #1 QB gets 80% or more of the snaps. They have to prepare for the game. Fields will be running scout team because the #2 gets only a handful of reps otherwise. You or someone is gonna have to prove that to me because I sincerely doubt it. And I think this has already been addressed by Lazor and Nagy in a couple of interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, G08 said: + @AZBearsFan Do you have any idea how much work the kid had to do behind the scenes? Tyreek Hill thought he was a bust his rookie season and Mahomes said himself if he had to start right away he wouldn't have been nearly as prepared as he was his MVP season. Maybe he's the exception. Maybe he would have won MVP anyway. Who knows, all I know is the proof is right there for a QB with Mahomes' skillset in the same freaking offense. What worked for Mahomes worked for Mahomes. There’s no disputing that. That doesn’t mean that what was best for him is going to be what’s best for Fields. They’re coming to the league with different college experiences and different skill sets and different mental makeups having played in different college systems. Just because Mahomes wasn’t NFL ready as a rookie doesn’t mean that Fields won’t be. And he may not be - hell I don’t know. I just don’t see the merits in deciding whether he’s ready to compete at this level or not before he even gets on the practice field with the whole team. I think that’d be an incredibly naive way for the team to approach it. IMO there’s no reason whatsoever Fields shouldn’t be afforded the opportunity to compete for the starting gig on an even playing field with Andy Dalton though. Forget Fields for a second - what has Dalton done to earn the right to be an unquestioned starter for us out of the gate? He hasn’t been a good starter since 2016, when Mitch Trubisky, Eddie Jackson and Tarik Cohen were all still in college. That was an eternity ago in football time. With the exception of established superstars, which Dalton is not, every player should be expected to have to earn their reps coming out of camp. Fields should start the minute he gives us the best chance to win. Dalton is adequate enough that for Fields to reach that point he’ll have to have reached at least a passable minimum level of competence. I’m not saying Fields has to start right away. I’m just saying he shouldn’t be relegated to a reserve role in May just because. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 hours ago, AZBearsFan said: What worked for Mahomes worked for Mahomes. There’s no disputing that. That doesn’t mean that what was best for him is going to be what’s best for Fields. They’re coming to the league with different college experiences and different skill sets and different mental makeups having played in different college systems. Just because Mahomes wasn’t NFL ready as a rookie doesn’t mean that Fields won’t be. And he may not be - hell I don’t know. I just don’t see the merits in deciding whether he’s ready to compete at this level or not before he even gets on the practice field with the whole team. I think that’d be an incredibly naive way for the team to approach it. IMO there’s no reason whatsoever Fields shouldn’t be afforded the opportunity to compete for the starting gig on an even playing field with Andy Dalton though. Forget Fields for a second - what has Dalton done to earn the right to be an unquestioned starter for us out of the gate? He hasn’t been a good starter since 2016, when Mitch Trubisky, Eddie Jackson and Tarik Cohen were all still in college. That was an eternity ago in football time. With the exception of established superstars, which Dalton is not, every player should be expected to have to earn their reps coming out of camp. Fields should start the minute he gives us the best chance to win. Dalton is adequate enough that for Fields to reach that point he’ll have to have reached at least a passable minimum level of competence. I’m not saying Fields has to start right away. I’m just saying he shouldn’t be relegated to a reserve role in May just because. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 7 hours ago, soulman said: You or someone is gonna have to prove that to me because I sincerely doubt it. And I think this has already been addressed by Lazor and Nagy in a couple of interviews. Hoge and Jahns, in their latest podcast, talked about how in camp the reps are usually broken down 15-7-3 between the 1, 2, and 3rd units/QBs. The premise of the discussion was that the Bears may release Foles if he does not want to sit around and do nothing. Once the season starts, the rep split becomes even more slanted towards the starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 8 hours ago, G08 said: You're missing a lot here. John DeFilippo will still be working with Fields on "his plays" when Fields isn't running the scout team. You're acting as if the only coaching/reps Fields will get will be on the scout team, which is completely wrong. He will get a handful of 1st team reps. I think many of us would prefer him to get a majority of the reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Dilfer: The hardest part is the visuals. You’re not getting the same visuals the starter gets playing against the defensive looks that you’re going to play that week. O’Sullivan: It’s impossible to keep the mental game-speed and game-execution element without getting game reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, G08 said: A lot. How to prepare, what his routine will be during game week, study how defenses attack us, how we attack them, etc. Talk with Dalton about why he read a play a certain way, what he saw, compare/contrast to what he saw himself, etc. Don't act like there is NOTHING he can learn from sitting, that's disingenuous at best. These are some things Rodgers talked about in the article I posted earlier in the thread but some people choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit their narrative or beliefs. What I've taken away from this thread is that playing QB in the NFL is as easy as riding a bike and every team should just start their rookies and pray for the best. Edited May 20, 2021 by JAF-N72EX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Sugashane said: For the last 30 years sometimes you couldn't tell if we did or not. lol See Cutler and Mitch trades lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, JAF-N72EX said: These are some things Rodgers talked about in the article I posted earlier in the thread but some people choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit their narrative or beliefs. What I've taken away from this thread is that playing QB in the NFL is as easy as riding a bike and every team should just start their rookies and pray for the best. If he isn't ready, and I mean truly looks lost, then of course you shouldn't play him. But some people are over rating what a guy is going to learn and develop watching Andy Dalton. I would rather Nagy scale back the offense and build it up week to week, then to have Fields sitting in meetings and holding a clipboard. We read the Rodgers article, we also just watched Herbert, Burrow, Mayfield, Murray and others come out and play well right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 We just watched the Bears run an offense that Mitch could run at a reasonable level. There is no reason we cannot insert Justin Fields into that offense, that was very QB and OL friendly and then build it up over the course of the season from there. The onus should be on Nagy to craft and offense that allows Fields to develop as we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, WindyCity said: Hoge and Jahns, in their latest podcast, talked about how in camp the reps are usually broken down 15-7-3 between the 1, 2, and 3rd units/QBs. The premise of the discussion was that the Bears may release Foles if he does not want to sit around and do nothing. Once the season starts, the rep split becomes even more slanted towards the starter. I think the key word here is usually. There's a good chance that Nagy and his guys begin to see this whole deal as somewhat unusual in that they aren't preparing a #1 QB and a #2 but rather two #1 QBs so they may depart from 15-7-3 and make it 15-10. I'm not coaching nor is anyone else here but it seems to me that Nick Foles should be running the scout team with Dalton and Fields sharing reps roughly 60/40 with the first team guys. Foles role is now mostly as an educator and an assistant QB coach. Unless some kind of disaster befalls us is there any way you can see Foles ever taking a single snap in a regular season game? If Dalton is injured I gotta think Fields will bump up to playing and if the injury is severe enough to keep Dalton out Foles becomes #2. As for releasing Foles it only makes sense if he either waves his guaranteed money or he's picked up somewhere and his salary there will offset some or all of what he's owed by the Bears. I suppose it could happen but I'd call it 50/50 at best. No doubt the plan is to win as often as possible but IMHO it's also pretty likely that the faster Fields ingests the offense and becomes prepared to start the greater the probability to winning becomes. I don't think it's business as usual this year at all. Edited May 20, 2021 by soulman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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