Jakuvious Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 minute ago, CP3MVP said: Denever does not have a “stacked” offense in paper. They don’t even have one elite skill position guy. Juedy and Fant have potential, they haven’t shown anything yet , Courtland Sutton showed a lot in 2019, especially considering who he was catching passes from. Elite, probably not, but he's just gotten forgotten post-injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, CP3MVP said: Denever does not have a “stacked” offense in paper. They don’t even have one elite skill position guy. Juedy and Fant have potential, they haven’t shown anything yet , Sutton is a WR1 in this league and Top 15 WR. He's basically Baby Michael Thomas. Jeudy could easily be a WR2, and has WR1 potential. Fant also has Top 10 TE potential, and is already decent. They also drafted Javonte Williams, quite similar to Josh Jacobs and should be an extremely solid RB for Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 You have to look at it both ways. Maybe on DC because the D can carry them when Rodgers chokes. Rodgers on Denver is just Rodgers on a worse team than the 2020 Packers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 The obvious answer is yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBlueDon Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Until I see either team prove that they're a QB away, no. Neither team has done anything of substance to suggest that notion. WFT is getting a lot of hype everywhere I turn. Let's see if they can live up to it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 hours ago, ClutchDJ said: So I ask, are they really just 1 QB away? It may depend on what you mean by "1 QB". An elite one? An average or better one? A top 24 one? Washington (2021 DVOAs: Overall-16th, Offense-32nd, Defense-3rd) had the pieces (PFF aggregate:11th) on offense going into 2020 but they performed dead last as a unit. If given a free rein, an Aaron Rodgers could get them close to glory. Denver (2021 DVOAs: Overall-29th, Offense-30th, Defense-13th) didn't have the components (PFF aggregate:25th) on offense a year ago and haven't had a complete metamorphosis since (though they did well in the off-season). They'd need a one-man band such as Deshaun Watson to get near the Super Bowl. My guesstimate? An average QB (and Fitz isn't far from that) could get Washington into the second week of the playoffs, Denver into the Wild Card game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinthehouse Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 My thought process is the Division both Washington & Denver are in. True, only 6 games account for the 17 that will be played. However, it usually is a good bar for winning your Division or at least getting in as a 5th, 6th or 7th seed in most seasons. Washington was only 7-9 last year as a Division winner. But was 4-2 inside the Division. Sweeping Dallas & Philly & losing to Giants x2. (Note: Rivera gave the Giants 1 of them as an early Christmas gift) Denver was 5-11 last year & last place. They were 1-5 inside their Division. Their 1 win came vs the Chargers. Imo, winning Divisional games is all about coaching. Good coaches win inside their Division. Last season in 2019, Nic Fangio went 7-9 with Denver. Only 3-3 inside the Division. If Denver wants to make it & possibly win the SB, Nic Fangio needs to do better inside his own Division. So to answer the OP's question? I think a QB would help tremendously in winning more Divisional games & making the Playoffs & possibly the SB. I think Washington is already there, if Fitz can stay healthy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibuspeedrace Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) the real answer would be Baltimore am I right, @Bonanza23 they are scary with a running back...imagine them with even a league average rock tosser Edited May 16, 2021 by malibuspeedrace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 18 hours ago, BayRaider said: Sutton is a WR1 in this league and Top 15 WR. He's basically Baby Michael Thomas. Jeudy could easily be a WR2, and has WR1 potential. Fant also has Top 10 TE potential, and is already decent. They also drafted Javonte Williams, quite similar to Josh Jacobs and should be an extremely solid RB for Denver. I'd say Sutton is likely top 20, but not top 15...yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Does Denver have a good OL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeezla said: I'd say Sutton is likely top 20, but not top 15...yet. Sutton’s catch point and radius is Top 3 in the league. If he had Aaron Rodgers, homeboy is putting up 1700 yards and 12 TDs, and is a Top 5 WR. Who have been Suttons QBs…? Drew Lock, the #32 Ranked Starter in the NFL. And Joe Flacco, like the 50th Ranked QB in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Sutton’s catch point and radius is Top 3 in the league. If he had Aaron Rodgers, homeboy is putting up 1700 yards and 12 TDs, and is a Top 5 WR. Who have been Suttons QBs…? Drew Lock, the #32 Ranked Starter in the NFL. And Joe Flacco, like the 50th Ranked QB in the NFL. So the only thing preventing Courtland Sutton from an 8th or better all-time WR season in the history of the NFL, is not having Rodgers? He's gotta be #1 in the NFL then, screw top 5. Who have Terry McLaurins QB's been? He's gotta be #2. Edited May 16, 2021 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, Jeezla said: So the only thing preventing Courtland Sutton from an 8th or better all-time WR season in the history of the NFL, is not having Rodgers? He's gotta be #1 in the NFL then, screw top 5. A QB like Rodgers would make any WR1 put up elite tier numbers. This forum really sleeps on Sutton and I’m a Raider fan. This forum also really sleeps on how much a QB has on his other offensive teammates. Those Bronco players are not putting up giddy stats because Drew Lock is the worst starting QB in the NFL. Sutton, Jeudy, and Hamler would easily be a Top 5 WR core in the NFL if they had a Top 10 QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, BayRaider said: A QB like Rodgers would make any WR1 put up elite tier numbers. This forum really sleeps on Sutton and I’m a Raider fan. This forum also really sleeps on how much a QB has on his other offensive teammates. Those Bronco players are not putting up giddy stats because Drew Lock is the worst starting QB in the NFL. Sutton, Jeudy, and Hamler would easily be a Top 5 WR core in the NFL if they had a Top 10 QB. I like Sutton a lot too. But there are a lot of good WR's right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, malibuspeedrace said: the real answer would be Baltimore am I right, @Bonanza23 they are scary with a running back...imagine them with even a league average rock tosser IMHO definitely. They're a two-headed monster at RB, a real thunder and lightning approach, as Dobbins can run between the tackles on the first two downs. And recycling one of these guys in the future keeps cap space to extend Sammy Watkins (4/$64mil) once he balls out Baltimore WR-style (700/4). Do not change a thing and extend Greg Roman. That said, if Baltimore traded for Rodgers they are instantly a contender. Edited May 17, 2021 by NudeTayne 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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