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8 hours ago, Thomas5737 said:

Nick Chubb is our only great player on offense

This is a bit disingenuous considering Hunt was an All Pro and 3 of our OL are ranked towards the top of the league.

Yeah we need to give Baker an elite running back duo, elite OL, and apparently elite weapons too for him to be more than just average...MAYBE. That’s my issue. And for the record, I’ve been banging the big bodied receiver drum for 4+ years now.

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53 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

This is a bit disingenuous considering Hunt was an All Pro and 3 of our OL are ranked towards the top of the league.

Yeah we need to give Baker an elite running back duo, elite OL, and apparently elite weapons too for him to be more than just average...MAYBE. That’s my issue. And for the record, I’ve been banging the big bodied receiver drum for 4+ years now.

I think he needs an elite OL, that’s it.

Unless we just happened to find a third elite back on shrimp boat or whatever, we’ve seen iterations of this offense churn out ground game production for 30 years at this point.

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13 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Unless we just happened to find a third elite back on shrimp boat or whatever, we’ve seen iterations of this offense churn out ground game production for 30 years at this point.

D’ernest runs a 4.8 40 time. That tells me all I need to know.

 

You just need vision and you can get 100+ yards.

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Rumors the browns are interested in the 35 million per season or around there game for Baker. 

 

If Baker wants to be on himself he can reject it. He might be persuaded not by his series of injuries over 

It will either be a Jared Goff type contract, which we want to get out of or a bargain in a couple of years. 

One of gaurd trails is to extend early. 

I'd love to get put of the obj and Hooper Hooper contract to increase our ability to spend. I wonder if Houston would take on either of them. 

Obj to houston for a 5th and they take some money from this year. 

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16 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said:

Rumors the browns are interested in the 35 million per season or around there game for Baker. 

 

If Baker wants to be on himself he can reject it. He might be persuaded not by his series of injuries over 

It will either be a Jared Goff type contract, which we want to get out of or a bargain in a couple of years. 

One of gaurd trails is to extend early. 

I'd love to get put of the obj and Hooper Hooper contract to increase our ability to spend. I wonder if Houston would take on either of them. 

Obj to houston for a 5th and they take some money from this year. 

I don’t want to send OBJ to Texans to ruin a season or two. He hasn’t been an issue, so I don’t want to screw him over. Rather send OBJ to a decent NFC team. 

hoopers contract isn’t even that bad compared to the Jump in the cap we will see and compared to the other TE contracts that were signed the last 2 years and what we might see this offseason. Also what other some what reliable TE can we get to replace Hooper? Bryant looks like he regressed from last year and Njoku is still hit or miss. He can have a huge game or a clunker and his blocking still isn’t reliable either.

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1 hour ago, MWil23 said:

This is a bit disingenuous considering Hunt was an All Pro and 3 of our OL are ranked towards the top of the league.

Yeah we need to give Baker an elite running back duo, elite OL, and apparently elite weapons too for him to be more than just average...MAYBE. That’s my issue. And for the record, I’ve been banging the big bodied receiver drum for 4+ years now.

What due you think about the kid from

Arkansas

If you want a 1 

2nd

3rd 

Thank you for excellent analysis.

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1 hour ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I think he needs an elite OL, that’s it.

Unless we just happened to find a third elite back on shrimp boat or whatever, we’ve seen iterations of this offense churn out ground game production for 30 years at this point.

I think if you have as good of an OL as we have, to go with a good running game (and we have a great one), then a good to great quarterback should be able to sling it around to average/capable weapons all the way down the field.

I'd gladly take the Shanahan Sr. approach and draft a running back D3 every draft or so as depth and insurance, potentially hitting on a stud every once in a while.

I'd also gladly continue to stockpile OL in the mid rounds, and then BPA R1-R2, which IMO is going to be a big bodied WR, quality pass rushing specialist, or overall athlete in some capacity (maybe a faller or linebacker).

As long as the EDGE, OL, and secondary are great, your team will be very competitive and playoff worthy...so long as you have a good quarterback (that's all 4 "important" spots). The others are luxury positions as long as you get "average" production, simply because you're not going to be turning the ball over and you'll be able to get to the QB/get stops in the secondary.

Your franchise QB makes up the deficit in the "skill positions" that are average, so I'm done being a Baker apologist for not having good enough weapons. His OL is ELITE. His coach on offense is potentially ELITE. His running game is ELITE. His weapons are CAPABLE in the TE/WR spots. 

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1 minute ago, Thomas5737 said:

Yet his sack rate is twice as high as half of the league and only ahead of 2 guys who are rookies. His pocket time isn't any different than the average guys either. Weird that would happen with an ELITE line.

It’s what happens when you can’t make reads, see over your offensive line, and are not athletic enough to compensate.

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6 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said:

Yet his sack rate is twice as high as half of the league and only ahead of 2 guys who are rookies. His pocket time isn't any different than the average guys either. Weird that would happen with an ELITE line.

Weird that he is also towards the bottom of the NFL and doing worse as it goes against pressure; really weird that he also struggles to read and identify a defense. It's almost like teams are blitzing him and he can't identify that, use any semblance of a hot route concept, or slide protection. Truly strange indeed.

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While PFF isn't the end all/be all, and I'm aware that Conklin and Wills have been hurt, that's telling about how good this unit is.

Through Week 5: 

Conklin is the 3rd rated RT

Bitonio is the 2nd best OG

...and Teller is the 6th best OG

J.C. Tretter comes in at a 75.4 for what it's worth, giving up 1 sack and committing 3 penalties, one of which was the egregious holding/while he was being penalized himself call against the Chargers.

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Baker advertised as a football savant. I think it was misleading. 

I think Burrows biggest strength over Baker are better field vision from height and knowing where to go with the ball. Baker is more accurate and has a stronger arm. Both are at best slippery as and unspectacular as athletes. Bakers hot routes need to be in places he wants to throw too

 

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