Tk3 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Will keep it open til the 4th as said and see if anyone else wants to participate. Thanks for doing all that work. Looks like the Top 16 are set in stone, just don't know what order yet considering more lists should come. I'm also debating doing a Play In round of 16 vs 17. oops.. didn't see a due date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 I'll extend this one day to June 5th. June 5th at 11:59pm PST this will close. Get your votes in if you want to have your say in the Seedings for the Tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 19 hours ago, BayRaider said: I'll extend this one day to June 5th. June 5th at 11:59pm PST this will close. Get your votes in if you want to have your say in the Seedings for the Tournament. *No new votes for 8 days* No one: Literally no one: BayRaider: "I'll give you more time" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted June 3, 2021 Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 49 minutes ago, Tk3 said: *No new votes for 8 days* No one: Literally no one: BayRaider: "I'll give you more time" I'm in zero rush what so ever.... especially with the WR Tournament. You got nothing going on in your life or something? Chill, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: I'm in zero rush what so ever.... especially with the WR Tournament. You got nothing going on in your life or something? Chill, man. you get defensive so easy it was a funny joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nozizaki Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Patrick Mahomes Russell Wilson Lamar Jackson Aaron Rodgers Deshaun Watson Tom Brady Josh Allen Matt Ryan Kirk Cousins Matt Stafford Ryan Tannehill Dak Prescott Baker Mayfield Joe Burrow Kyler Murray Justin Herbert Derek Carr Jimmy Garoppolo Carson Wentz Jared Goff Trevor Lawrence Ben Roethlisberger Ryan Fitzpatrick Tua Tagovaliloa Sam Darnold Jameis Winston Zach Wilson Daniel Jones Andy Dalton Cam Newton Teddy Bridgewater Jalen Hurts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 On 5/21/2021 at 1:54 PM, BayRaider said: The list is about who’s the best though. The best right now. You can’t tell me those 12 QB’s are better than Deshaun Watson. I really don’t think it’s a hard concept to understand. If a QB got shot in knee cap and you knew he was going to be on a roster but not play, how would you factor that "going into the 2021 season"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) On 5/28/2021 at 11:57 AM, Tk3 said: @BayRaider Looks like ballots are about done. if its helpful, here are the results (I may have missed if someone has edited, but I don't think it tangibly would change anything) Mahomes (509) Rodgers (496) Wilson (456) Brady (450) Allen (449) Lamar (406) Watson (405) Prescott (378) Herbert (371) Ryan (365) Stafford (355) Tannehill (350) Murray (305) Cousins (304) Carr (294) Mayfield (290) Burrow (262) Lawrence (221) Jimmy G (206) Wentz (196) Goff (163) Roethlisberger (151) Fitzpatrick (139) Tua (113) Z Wilson (106) D Jones (106) Hurts (99) Fields (92) Winston (89) Darnold (80) Newton (67) Bridgewater (44) Others receiving votes: Lance, Mac Jones, Drew Lock, Trubisky, Taysom Hill, Heinicke, Dalton, Brissett, Love, Mills I drew in lines where I see pretty clear "tier breaks".. Could argue Burrow is in his own tier, but that's weird to do in the middle so I batched him with the group below. Top 5 had extremely low standard deviation. 6-19 actually had a fairly reasonably deviation as well. Wentz, Stafford, and Lamar were the most polarizing of the group until you get into the "lower tiers" where it really was the wild west Interesting results This is a pretty damn good list all things considered lol I'd put this one up against PFFs or any other analysts Edited June 4, 2021 by Ray Reed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 On 5/22/2021 at 10:33 AM, ThatJaxxenGuy said: prevent defence in the later parts of the game This my least favorite argument in football. Teams almost never play prevent more than 5-10 snaps a game, if any at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Patrick Mahomes Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady Deshaun Watson Lamar Jackson Russell Wilson Josh Allen Matt Ryan Matt Stafford Dak Prescott Joe Burrow Justin Herbert Kirk Cousins Baker Mayfield Ryan Tannehill Kyler Murray Trevor Lawrence Derek Carr Carson Wentz Jared Goff Jimmy Garoppolo Ben Roethlisberger Tua Tagovaliloa Ryan Fitzpatrick Sam Darnold Cam Newton Zach Wilson Andy Dalton Jameis Winston Daniel Jones Teddy Bridgewater Jalen Hurts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Mahomes Rodgers Wilson Brady Allen Dak lamar Herbert Tanny stafford Ryan Murray Cousins Carr Mayfield Burrow Lawrence Jimmy G Tua Goff Roethlisberger Fitzpatrick Winston Z Wilson D Jones Hurts Fields Wentz Darnold Newton Bridgewater Watson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 This is my listed based off of my evaluation of guys already in the NFL and what they have shown, my projection of the rookie QBs and how well they translate immediately. So basically if you are in your second year or beyond I'm ranking you where you play has placed you now, not where I think they end up in the future. Elite Tier - HOF type of overall talent (doesn't factor in the need for longevity to actually make the HOF). Also goes off of current play so someone like Brees if he were still playing might not currently be in the elite tier, even though he is without a doubt a first ballot HOFer, and for many years, was near the top of my elite tier. 1. Russell Wilson 2. Patrick Mahomes 3. Aaron Rodgers 4. Tom Brady 5. Deshaun Watson Great Tier - Guys that to this point are consistent pro bowl caliber players that haven't done enough to be considered an elite, HOF type talent yet. But this is a stop almost every elite tier player hangs around for at least a year or two showing they can maintain elite play for longer than a season before I elevate them. Also can be a spot where great veteran QBs hang out their entire career. Philip Rivers was consistently in this group. Kind of the guys that never get over the hump most would consider a hall of very good player. 6. Lamar Jackson 7. Josh Allen 8. Matt Ryan 9. Dak Prescott Good tier - This is the tier where the guys are still what I consider sure fire franchise QBs, and may make the occasional pro bowl here and there, but haven't shown enough consistency for me to throw around the word great. Though a lot of young QBs will be here their first 2 or 3 seasons before ascending to one of the higher tiers. 10. Matt Stafford 11. Ryan Tannehill 12. Derek Carr 13. Justin Herbert 14. Kirk Cousins 15. Kyler Murray 16. Joe Burrow 17. Trevor Lawrence Above Average - This is the area of guys that can give you decent, solid, starting caliber QB play, but are either young and haven't fully proven in my evaluation that they are franchise QBs, or they are veterans that at this point of their career provide that play without much room for growth in the future. The occasional fall from grace to such a point they are thrown back down here until they can prove they can get back to those heights. 18. Baker Mayfield 19. Jimmy G 20. Big Ben 21. Carson Wentz 22. Jared Goff 23. Justin Fields Below Average - These are guys that to this point have shown that their ability to play at an NFL level is not good enough to even be average game managers that can be part of a winning team. Their abilities actively hinder competitive, winning football teams to this point. 24. Ryan Fitzpatrick 25. Cam Newton 26. Jameis Winston 27. Daniel Jones 28. Sam Darnold 29. Tua 30. Jalen Hurts 31. Zach Wilson 32.Teddy Bridgewater My tiers are a little different than most. I don't consider any of the typical starters worse than below average because I am rating them on the whole. So the truly bad players are typically the guys that hang around on teams as a rare #3 QB, or hang around the practice squad and 53 man roster. If you are a starting caliber QB by the standards of the position as a whole from starter to backup across the entire NFL you aren't truly awful. Guys just left off my list that would be in the next few spots, Mitch Trubisky, Drew Lock, Andy Dalton, Marcus Mariota, Nick Foles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 1. Mahomes 2. Allen 3. Rodgers 4. R Wilson 5. Watson 6. Dak 7. Lamar 8. Brady 9. Murray 10. Tannehill 11. Cousins 12. Carr 13. Stafford 14. Ryan 15. Herbert 16. Mayfield 17. Burrow 18. Goff 19. Lawrence 20. Roethlisberger 21. Fitzpatrick 22. Winston 23. Hurts 24. Garoppolo 25. Bridgwater 26. Wentz 27. Tua 28. Fields 29. Newton 30. Z Wilson 31. Darnold 32. D Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 This is now closed to new entries. @Tk3 want to do the results? If not, I’ll do it in a couple days. If you do decide to do it, look out for edits and adjust if needed. I edited mine less than a week ago and put Tua up a few spots. I think I’m also gonna add a 16 vs 17 vs 18 Triple Threat Play-In Round for fun and the winner becomes the 16th seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: This is now closed to new entries. @Tk3 want to do the results? If not, I’ll do it in a couple days. If you do decide to do it, look out for edits and adjust if needed. I edited mine less than a week ago and put Tua up a few spots. I think I’m also gonna add a 16 vs 17 vs 18 Triple Threat Play-In Round for fun and the winner becomes the 16th seed. I'm happy to add the last few ballots onto my list, but I'm not going to go back and verify all the entries for edits.. not sure how much that matters to you, but I won't be offended if you want to ignore my lists and do it yourself if you want to be sure it's all current and accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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