NYRaider Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 Speaking on Willis, I'd like to see more passing volume from him but his arm talent is definitely special. Dude makes some amazing throws and the ball just snaps out of his hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I am going to be honest, QB talk at times gets kind of.... I mean there are a ton of standout prospects from a variety of positions but no one says a word about them, all the talk is QB, QB, QB and QB. Sure QBs are wildly important to NFL team success but fact is Tom Brady is surrounded by amazing talent on the OL, WR and TE spots and so are the Chiefs not to mention the defensive side of the ball for both teams. For example does anyone even care that Matt Hankins on Iowa is wildly improved from last year and has increased his draft stock probably up 3-4 rounds...apparently not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 22 hours ago, Ozzy said: I am going to be honest, QB talk at times gets kind of.... I mean there are a ton of standout prospects from a variety of positions but no one says a word about them, all the talk is QB, QB, QB and QB. Sure QBs are wildly important to NFL team success but fact is Tom Brady is surrounded by amazing talent on the OL, WR and TE spots and so are the Chiefs not to mention the defensive side of the ball for both teams. For example does anyone even care that Matt Hankins on Iowa is wildly improved from last year and has increased his draft stock probably up 3-4 rounds...apparently not. I think for the average fan it's much easier to evaluate QB's and skill position players then it is to evaluate any other position. There's a reason that 6/7 the last #1 picks have been quarterbacks, it's the most important position in the game and the difference between having an average/good QB and an elite QB is massive. Essentially every good QB in the NFL is surrounded by talent. I think this year the QB conversation is more interesting then the past few years because there really isn't "a guy" at the top of the draft. Howell/Rattler came into the year projected to be the two best prospects but neither was elite last season. And this year is particularly interesting because you have a bunch of guys playing at smaller programs that have a chance to go high in the draft like Malik Willis, Carson Strong, Desmond Ridder, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 On 9/3/2021 at 8:57 AM, BroncoSojia said: Thoughts on Carson Strong? Solid prospect, wanna see how he throws the deep ball this year though. His lack of mobility and knee concerns are definitely red flags though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 50 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I think for the average fan it's much easier to evaluate QB's and skill position players then it is to evaluate any other position. There's a reason that 6/7 the last #1 picks have been quarterbacks, it's the most important position in the game and the difference between having an average/good QB and an elite QB is massive. Essentially every good QB in the NFL is surrounded by talent. I think this year the QB conversation is more interesting then the past few years because there really isn't "a guy" at the top of the draft. Howell/Rattler came into the year projected to be the two best prospects but neither was elite last season. And this year is particularly interesting because you have a bunch of guys playing at smaller programs that have a chance to go high in the draft like Malik Willis, Carson Strong, Desmond Ridder, etc. True but a similar thread last year had many talking about Mac Jones as if he has this terrible arm and should be a 3rd round pick and will never be a starting QB in the NFL and will forever be a backup. Then others saying Trey Lance is a total piece of crap and yeah some of the QB opinions around in terms of projection are worth throwing up about from time to time. But sure is fun to talk about but a bit frustrating when one actually watches other players development as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ozzy said: True but a similar thread last year had many talking about Mac Jones as if he has this terrible arm and should be a 3rd round pick and will never be a starting QB in the NFL and will forever be a backup. Then others saying Trey Lance is a total piece of crap and yeah some of the QB opinions around in terms of projection are worth throwing up about from time to time. But sure is fun to talk about but a bit frustrating when one actually watches other players development as well. Mac Jones had an okay debut but wasn't great and Trey Lance hasn't shown anything in the NFL yet, but it's only been 1 week. This is the 2022 QB thread, there are other threads to discuss other positional groups and prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 I'm interested in seeing how Taulia Tagovailoa looks when Maryland gets into the meat of its schedule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomCampBody Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 This QB class might be 2013 bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, RandomCampBody said: This QB class might be 2013 bad. It's definitely not that bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe56 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Penix should of left for the draft, stock is going in the toilet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 6:08 PM, Ozzy said: I mean there are a ton of standout prospects from a variety of positions but no one says a word about them, all the talk is QB, QB, QB and QB. Sure QBs are wildly important to NFL team success but fact is Tom Brady is surrounded by amazing talent on the OL, WR and TE spots and so are the Chiefs not to mention the defensive side of the ball for both teams. For example does anyone even care that Matt Hankins on Iowa is wildly improved from last year and has increased his draft stock probably up 3-4 rounds...apparently not. QB is the "easiest" position to evaluate because you have the cleanest view on TV. When you're evaluating OL, you're largely looking at multiple big guys in a small area, so it's harder to evaluate them fully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 4:41 PM, NYRaider said: Solid prospect, wanna see how he throws the deep ball this year though. His lack of mobility and knee concerns are definitely red flags though. There's really nothing there. Solid backup QB in the NFL is his realistic upside. Can't put my finger on the comp. He's got virtually no mobility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, CWood21 said: There's really nothing there. Solid backup QB in the NFL is his realistic upside. Can't put my finger on the comp. He's got virtually no mobility. He reminds me of Carson Palmer post ACL injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He reminds me of Carson Palmer post ACL injury. Not even in the same stratosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 11 hours ago, CWood21 said: Not even in the same stratosphere. Ehh. Big guy with a strong arm and solid accuracy with very minimal mobility. Post injury Palmer was a 4,000 yard passer with 26 TD/20 INT. It's a much different league now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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